I know we probably see things VERY differently on most things, but I will agree that if this was a female she would be getting much more backlash!
Pretty sure that G was a D3 coach at Hardin Simmons before being given the opportunity to start the A&M program from scratch.
Implicit in the post I responded to was that sort of all "coaches with no HC experience" are created equal. And that Shuttleworth's CV perhaps wasn't worthy of the Texas A&M job. That's more of what I was responding to (which wildcatter later explained wasn't the case). To me it would be ludicrous for someone to criticize/question a similarly placed female's appointment to HC, at a program the stature of TAMU (more so than they would a male). I trust you that there is a fringe element that would go there.
Wes Hart - Alabama was the last FSU Assistant to get a HC job. Bobby will probably do fine. But they could’ve done better.
OPEN: Akron - Maggie Kuhn (Akron assistant; INTERIM) St. Thomas (10/27) Troy (10/30) UNLV (11/4) American (11/10) Le Moyne (11/17) Fresno State (11/18) UCLA (11/24) Murray State (11/25) Washington State (12/1) Old Dominion (12/3) Nevada (12/4) Lipscomb (12/7) FILLED: Bellarmine - Steve Bornhoffer (Northern Kentucky assistant; ??/??-7/22) Central Arkansas - Derek Nichols (Central Arkansas associate head - 7/28) Long Island - Jim O’Brien (Mitchell College head; 7/11-8/6) Arkansas Pine Bluff - Emanuel Stephens (club coach; ??/??-8/7) UNC Charlotte - Sinead Byrne (INTERIM; April 2025-10/17) Northern Iowa - Alex Place Thomas (UNI interim, former Wartburg assistant and HS coach; INTERIM 6/20-11/10) New Mexico - Karley Nelson (UNM associate head; 11/5-11/12) McNeese State - Alexsis Cable (North Texas assistant; [2025 INTERIM] 6/17-11/20) Texas - Margueritte Bates (UCLA head; 11/24-11/25) Louisiana Tech - Matt Lodge (Murray State head; 11/10-11/25) Ole Miss - Todd Shulenberger (Washington State head; 11/10-12/1) Drexel - Shannon Grogan (Stony Brook associate head; retirement 10/28-12/3) USC Upstate - Sam Odell (Shepherd head; INTERIM 9/30-12/4) Southern Miss - Danny Owens (William Carey head; 11/5-12/5) Florida - Nick Zimmerman (Miss State head; 11/12-12/5) Mississippi State - Kevin O’Brien (Lipscomb head; 12/5-12/7) Texas A&M - Bobby Shuttleworth (Florida State associate head; retirement 10/28-12/9) Central Michigan - James DeCosemo (Western Michigan assistant; 11/3-12/10)
I think you missed Aaron Brunner, who got hired at George Mason in December of 2023. Time will tell if this was a good hire. 2024 3-10-6 2025 4-10-4
Some women probs shouldn’t get the job. Some dudes? ADs have no clue and listen to people who have no clue. Come to this forum, maybe they’d get a better idea lol.
OPEN: Akron - Maggie Kuhn (Akron assistant; INTERIM) St. Thomas (10/27) Troy (10/30) American (11/10) Le Moyne (11/17) Fresno State (11/18) UCLA (11/24) Murray State (11/25) Washington State (12/1) Old Dominion (12/3) Nevada (12/4) Lipscomb (12/7) FILLED: Bellarmine - Steve Bornhoffer (Northern Kentucky assistant; ??/??-7/22) Central Arkansas - Derek Nichols (Central Arkansas associate head - 7/28) Long Island - Jim O’Brien (Mitchell College head; 7/11-8/6) Arkansas Pine Bluff - Emanuel Stephens (club coach; ??/??-8/7) UNC Charlotte - Sinead Byrne (INTERIM; April 2025-10/17) Northern Iowa - Alex Place Thomas (UNI interim, former Wartburg assistant and HS coach; INTERIM 6/20-11/10) New Mexico - Karley Nelson (UNM associate head; 11/5-11/12) McNeese State - Alexsis Cable (North Texas assistant; [2025 INTERIM] 6/17-11/20) Texas - Margueritte Bates (UCLA head; 11/24-11/25) Louisiana Tech - Matt Lodge (Murray State head; 11/10-11/25) Ole Miss - Todd Shulenberger (Washington State head; 11/10-12/1) Drexel - Shannon Grogan (Stony Brook associate head; retirement 10/28-12/3) USC Upstate - Sam Odell (Shepherd head; INTERIM 9/30-12/4) Southern Miss - Danny Owens (William Carey head; 11/5-12/5) Florida - Nick Zimmerman (Miss State head; 11/12-12/5) Mississippi State - Kevin O’Brien (Lipscomb head; 12/5-12/7) Texas A&M - Bobby Shuttleworth (Florida State associate head; retirement 10/28-12/9) Central Michigan - James DeCosemo (Western Michigan assistant; 11/3-12/10) UNLV - Kacey Bingham (Western Oregon head; 11/4-12/10)
From Shepherd University (DII) to USC Upstate (DI). Shepherd recently posted their HC vacancy and the listing includes a salary starting at $43,921. Shepherdstown is a lovely place but there aren't exactly a lot of inexpensive housing options in the area, unlike the area surrounding Spartanburg. What sort of pay raise would Coach Odell be looking at after accepting the job at USC Upstate?
Not much, his final salary at Shepherd was just above 67K and the Upstate job paid 70K, maybe he got them to 73K.
What? He was at 67K and they want someone to replace him and rebuild that roster for 43K? What he did there with a low budget and portal kids was pretty amazing really but that number is a lowball for sure. They clearly have budget probs. Local teachers there make 48K to start for 10 months. 59K if you just cross the bridge over to MD. But, if they are willing to sponsor a Visa, they will get 100+ apps....
This would make sense for me. Their staff has been really successful at Montana and took over after their previous coach was let go under a cloud of some not great allegations and not achieving. I looked at Montana and since taking over, the only year they didn't win a conference title of any kind was in 2022. Otherwise they have won either the regular season or tournament every year (winning both in 2020 and 2025). Wazzu would be getting a decent coach, wouldn't be surprised to see him do well there and then take another step.
Solid run, built it into quite the program. DIII coach previously. Successful transition from one level to next.
Well, except for this pit stop in Grand Forks, ND. "The 2025 season is Chris Citowicki’s eighth year as head coach of the Montana soccer program. He was hired in May 2018 after previously working as the associate head coach at North Dakota."
Don't think many will be falling over themselves to take the Montana job. Yes, it's a winnable conference but the salary isn't great, cost of living is higher than people think and oh yeah your living in Montana.
*You're Heck of a lot more attractive than others that have opened up. Cost of living is not high in undesirable places. I think this is a very appealing job to people in the northwest and mid-America. Great town, great university that is supportive of their athletics, winnable conference, and an established presence in the region for camps/clinics - heck, maybe I'll throw my hat in the ring....
Is there a knock on effect with these kinds of things when it comes to the roster? Does WSU coach take players to Ole Miss? Does Montana coach take players to WSU? Somewhere someone is left with nothing and having to rebuild. Big Sky conf prob won't mind montana being shorthanded for while.
Yes, the Washington State coach is taking his best players to Ole Miss and Montana is going to do the same to WSU. But I'll guess we'll see that knock on effect in the portal here very soon.
Missoula would be considered desirable to certain coaches and student-athletes. Their athletic department has to be reasonably supportive because their sports across the board are consistently good. For me, I would much rather take over Montana vs some of the other current mid-majors open including Fresno or Nevada.