2024 WWC U-20 Tournament - Knockout Matches

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by MiLLeNNiuM, Sep 12, 2024.

  1. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1-0 FT DPR win
     
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  2. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Most likely it’s the flying Dutch ladies & their ten foot goalkeeper next
     
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  3. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's U20 so I'm reasonably pleased with the US — also considering how good the Bad Korea is at the U20 level historically (and they take it so seriously they've had the team in Colombia for 3 months if I heard the announcer right).

    We can talk about the refereeing for a minute. Martinčić (Croatia) did pretty well in a good competitive match but there was a short moment around the 20th minute where a couple calls went for the US and against North Korea and I thought Martinčić was in a little danger of losing the plot (as well as credibility with the North Koreans). Ally Sentnor has that little trick which she gets away with of grabbing the ball on the ground and forcing a call from a referee
     
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  4. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    I believe that move, wich is used world wide, is a subtle form of cheating. I think intentionally grabbing the ball like that should be a yellow card for unsportsmanlike conduct. Yes, many do it, but I bet it would stop if cards were issued for it. Yes the call(s) needs to be made and yes they should be called without player forcing it but it is simply a form of cheating like players moving way up the field for throw ins or changing free kick locations. If refs really want to make the game better then they should make the calls. If some players kept getting stupid cards then coaches would stop playing the cheaters. As it is coaches actually encourage cheating by instructing the players to cheat.

    Make a few calls and have a few matches end 8v7 and the players will either stop the cheating behavior or coaches will stop playing them.
     
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  5. tobu

    tobu Member

    cesa
    Japan
    Oct 15, 2023
    asheville nc
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Not pleased at all. North Korea had the better athletes who were stronger and faster. They also had the far more technical players. And better motivation. And great team cohesion and chemistry. So what did we have? Clumsy challenges, tired bullied players, and a few desperate shots on goal. Ok, kudos to our keeper though.
     
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  6. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Tee-hee. :p Not Japan for sure! :giggle:
     
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  7. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    me too, since Japan probably beaten us for third place, but now I think we’ll favorites against the Dutch.
     
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  8. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Unless their GK doesn't completely cover the goal against you. :p
     
  9. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    #134 Cannons, Sep 19, 2024
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    i watched the whole game and saw nobody that could help the Emma's team. North Korea was far better. They double teamed us constantly and we were clueless
     
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  10. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    The US Soccer match report ...

    https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/20...tats-match-recap-fifa-u20-world-cup-semifinal

    Looking forward ...

    "The U.S. will meet the Netherlands in the Third-Place Match on Saturday, Sept. 21 at 5 p.m. ET at the Estadio El Campín in the Colombian capital of Bogotá. It’ll mark the fourth time the U-20s will compete for the bronze medal at this tournament. The USA won it in 2004 and settled for fourth place in 2006 and 2016. After going out in the group stage in 2018 and 2022 (the 2020 tournament was canceled), the USA is assured of at least matching its best U-20 World Cup finish since winning it all in 2012."
     
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  11. SakiBomb25

    SakiBomb25 Member

    Nov 13, 2004
    To be honest, even though I wanted the US to win, North Korea deserved the victory. They were more aggressive and smarter with the ball in terms of their passes. They had so many chances to score and fortunately for us, weren’t able to convert.

    is Tordin that much better of a player than Dudley? Remeber, Tordin got three of her goals against Paraguay, which isn’t really quality competition. I did like Dudley’s energy, though agree she should have come out early.

    and I would have liked to have seen Dahlien early. Super fun player to watch.

    Why was Gilchrist subbed off with like four minutes to go in favor of Evans? I can see if it were an attacking player but for a center back that late into the game?
     
  12. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    Judging by this tournament alone I would not be able to say who is "better" but, again in this tournament, Dudley was much more a liability than an asset. She has reminded me of a female Romelu Lukaku without his skill. She seemed to be only good when rolling off a defender and running straight at the goal or when she could just out muscle her defender(s).
    I think, based on this tournament, she would make my team as the 18th or 19th field player. She may become very good with more club play but, right now, she just does not have the needed skill to use her strength effectively.

    In the third place match I would not start her but hold her in reserve to potentially come on when the others tire out the Dutch.
     
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  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I think it was Bugg got subbed off instead of Gilchrist, Evans might of been an more offensive minded player

    Dudley was an 1st team All American, the only freshman to do so. She was injured after the first game. Missed the next two & eased her way back as an sub next couple of games before starting again vs NK
     
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  14. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dudley is an immensely talented player. (I have the advantage of having watched her play for Florida State in the College Cup last year). When the team as a whole was smothered by North Korea, I don't know why some people relentlessly want to beat down on one 18-year old. They're entitled to their opinions but then I'm entitled to point out how some fans like to do the same with Crystal Dunn for the senior team.

    The problem with highlight videos for the U20s is they're controlled by FIFA who keep them to about 2 minutes. Still, you can see the way Dudley held up the ball, occupied two defenders, then passed back against the grain to give Adamses a great chance on goal. And of course Dudley scored the first goal in the US comeback against Germany in the quarterfinal.

    Dudley sets up Adamses against North Korea at 0'29 of the highlight video ->



    As for the North Korea game in general, did no one see any of Norkistan's match against Brazil? They had a stranglehold on Brazil from what I saw so I refuse to be too hard on the US
     
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  15. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Referee assignments for the Gold Medal match and 3rd place match from the Law5 Referee Blog (cross-posted in the International Forum) —

    THIRD PLACE FINAL

    21 September 2024
    USA - NETHERLANDS
    Referee: Shahenda El-Maghrabi EGY
    Assistant Referee 1: Soukaina Hamdi MAR
    Assistant Referee 2: Asma Feriel Ouahab ALG
    Reserve Assistant Referee: Kim Kyoung-min KOR

    FINAL

    22 September 2024
    NORTH KOREA - JAPAN
    Referee: Maria Sole Ferrieri Caputi ITA
    Assistant Referee 1: Tiziana Trasciatti ITA
    Assistant Referee 2: Vanessa Gomes POR
    Fourth Official: Casey Reibelt AUS
    Reserve Assistant Referee: Daiana Fernandez URU

    I'm a little surprised.

    In the Gold Medal Match, as long as they were going to go with a European referee in an all-Asian final, I thought they'd go with Marta Huerta de Aza because with Spain, her country, as the reigning World Cup champion and the current #2 rated team in the world, her opportunities to referee the biggest senior team matches might be limited

    In USA/Netherlands, I'm surprised but perhaps unjustly. I simply don't know the referee. Maybe she's good. Even if she's not stellar, I wouldn't expect problems between US and Netherlands. (Of course I didn't expect problems between US / Netherlands at the senior World Cup last year either!!! But it's a 3rd-place match. And it's the U20s.)
     
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  16. tobu

    tobu Member

    cesa
    Japan
    Oct 15, 2023
    asheville nc
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Offensively, North Korea were hard to stop because they were fast, technical, and precise. Defensively, the Americans were physically dominated. It wasn't just Dudley -- the entire American attack was hapless and in shock.
     
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  17. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    FWIW, she has cleared protocol today and is available for selection
     
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  18. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Games on US 1 NED 0 20th minute mark. It’s not this time on the FOX channels so I can’t watch it
     
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  19. 2233soccer

    2233soccer Member

    United States
    Sep 13, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why do they make it so hard to be a fan of women’s soccer? -Why would they play all the other games on Fox Sports and not broadcast this match?
     
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  20. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    1-1 early second half, Sentnor with the US goal, assist Thompson, at 10’; the Netherlands drawing level at 26’.
     
  21. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    Probably because they did not want to preempt what they perceive as more important programming but they had already contracted to put the third place match on FoxSoccerPlus so they had to carry it.

    I strongly doubt the audience in the USA will justify even having it on FSP but they have to carry it somewhere by contract.
    You also have the NBC (Spanish language) and I think another Spanish language broadcast that you can choose.
    It is not hard to find and watch this match, but regular broadcast TV is very much out for almost all youth soccer matches.
     
  22. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    It is very hard to muster interest in third place matches and this one seems exciting but is really quite humdrum.

    I found myself rooting for whoever was taking shots as we neared extra time as I just wanted it to end, but I could not look away. Like the old "Train wreak" joke.

    That is I seem to have wasted over two hours on this match.
     
  23. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #148 BostonRed, Sep 21, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2024
    Bank shot own-goal for the US win, 2-1 AET.

    I think the Brit announcer misread (perhaps deliberately) why the Colombian crowd was constantly booing Femke Liefting whenever she handled the ball. She was the GK who blanked Colombia in PKs, knocking them out of the tourney. She had a few "Tim Krul at the WC" moments, playing mind games with the Colombian shooters. I assume they hold a grudge.

    ETA: Here's what one NBC Universo viewer had to say (translated from Spanish):

    The commentators of the USA-NED match do not understand why goalkeeper Liefting is whistled at every time she picks up the ball. It is because she bullied the Colombian players in the penalty shootout, despite there being a law against that.
     
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  24. OorogeroO

    OorogeroO New Member

    United States
    Mar 3, 2023
    Wasington, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More to the point, Fox will broadcast college football more readily than women's soccer, which is what was showing on all three of Fox's broadcast networks in the US, because that is what their viewers want. That's what all broadcast networks (except NBC) show on Saturdays this time of year.
     
  25. 2233soccer

    2233soccer Member

    United States
    Sep 13, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i don’t need it to be on Fox or any regular broadcast station. It was only broadcast on the Spanish station which if you don’t have those in your list in your cable service you don’t get those channels. It was not possible to watch it anywhere. In the past they have broadcasted these games on their YouTube channel which works just fine. In this day and age it isn’t hard to find somewhere to make it available if you want to continue to have a fan base for women’s soccer in the U.S.
     

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