2024 WWC U-20 Tournament - Knockout Matches

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  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I went back and watched the final 8 minutes (the whole match is available on FIFA+ with a VPN) and the goal was scored at 8:34 of added time. That's within the range of the announced "minimum of 8 minutes." There also was a block of over 1 minute after the 2nd German goal, another 30 seconds for Germany to set up a corner kick and 45 seconds after the US 1st goal. Considering FIFA has really pushed "actual game time" as the standard at this tourney, it's surprising they didn't add time after the 2nd US goal.
     
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  2. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Anyway, after being 2 goals ahead at 90'+7' and anyway failing to win this game, it totally made sense that Germany players crumbled apart in the penalty shootout: it would have needed an insane mental strength to recover from those last two minutes of additional time, and the extra-time obviously wasn't enough for them to collect themselves.
     
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  3. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Both teams had valuable soccer (and life) lessons reinforced and amplified to the max:

    For USA: Never say die, where there’s life (aka stoppage time), there’s hope.

    For Germany: It ain’t over ‘til it’s over.

    Three of the four QF matches went to extra time, and two of those to PKs. Colombia also ‘crumbled’ in PKs, after having led the match 1-0 and 2-1, then giving up a late tying goal.
     
  4. Allende72

    Allende72 Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Nov 17, 2008
    Wilmington, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Not sure I'd seen this posted on BS, reason we didn't see her last night.
     
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  5. SakiBomb25

    SakiBomb25 Member

    Nov 13, 2004
    What are people's thoughts on Giselle Thompson? I watched the Round of 16 and the Quarterfinals and I felt like she was the weak link. She's obviously very fast and can create on the wing... but when it comes to defense...

    Am I missing something?

    Also, how come Evans started over Gilchrist? I'm a Stanford fan, so obviously I like it when Stanford players do well, but Gilchrist started the last two matches over Evans and isn't it kind of risky to make changes like this to your center backs so late in the tournamnet? Unless Gilchrist was on limited minutes because of injury?
     
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  6. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kinda, kinda, kinda reminded me of the Senior Team on July 30, 2017 in San Diego and the 1-3 to 4-3 comeback vs. Brazil in the Tournament of Nations.

    brazil.jpg

    However, this comeback was on Steroids. Much later, much more condensed and much more unexpected.
    Congrats Ladies! Now, on to the Bad Korea.
     
  7. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team needs Hutton back on the field.

    Regarding Gilchrist, the only reason I can see is that she looked a little shaky vs Mexico?
     
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  9. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Korea scouting?
     
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  10. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #61 hotjam2, Sep 17, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2024
    hard to tell; they all have the same short hair cut, same sounding names & play pretty much like robots.. I’ll be looking more forward to the third place game vs Netherlands who got an Gk with an out of this world wingspan(probably can touch the high goal post without touching it, lol)
    The Asians usually have cornered the youth market. Japan have made high school soccer massively popular, whereas we’ve made you soccer more country club appeal(hand over those ECNL dues). Nor sure what North Korea’s secret other then Uncle Kim keeping them on an short leach
     
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  11. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    in my book, Thompson will be the quickest to make the senior USWNT squad with Sentnor the 2nd. Only 18 years old, she’s already put in over 2000 minutes on our various youth NT’s.
    In this tourney, the coach has given her the license to adventurous/freely roam all around the field, Unfortunately that means she’ll neglect temporarily her right side FB defensive duties. Some of the opponents have figured this out already & attacked almost exclusively on their left side(out right). I would blame more the coach on this
     
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  12. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    I checked out for a couple games. I heard she is in concussion protocol? In the video above she is seen wearing a necklace. If you were planning on potentially playing you wouldn't be wearing jewelry.
     
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  13. SakiBomb25

    SakiBomb25 Member

    Nov 13, 2004
    But as a right back… she still needs to haul her butt back to play defense when the opponents have the ball. I mean that’s what you do as a defender. Maybe I just saw two bad games from her, but her IQ doesn’t seem to be that high. I hope I am proven wrong.
     
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  14. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #65 kolabear, Sep 17, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2024
    Referee assignments

    Ivana Martinčić (Croatia) for USA / Bad Korea

    Karen Hernández (Mexico) for Japan / Netherlands



    add comment:

    Martinčić is, of course, a reasonably good referee but I don't think I've ever been impressed with her refereeing

    I'm guessing that Marta Huerta de Aza — probably the most highly regarded referee at the tournament — has been penciled in for the Gold Medal match since her country, Spain, has been knocked out by Japan
     
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  15. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, do we wait until gameday to find out if she's playing?
     
  16. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    probably. When I played it was if you can walk around without bumping into things you were fit to play but now the doctors/trainers have a bunch of apparently unrelated tests that are supposed to show if you have a concussion or other brain/spinal cord injury and a player must clear that before the are allowed to play.
    My confidence in doctors is very very low, I consider them a mostly necessary evil. However it is good to error on the safe side for athletes and really for everyone else. I am just unconvinced that Doctors really use science. I think medicine reached it peak with the shamans of the native Americans or just about anywhere else in the world. Modern medicine is all about making doctors and large firms rich rather than healing.
    I find myself torn between the fact that concussions are dangerous and the apparent desire of the trainers/doctors to over react to everything.
     
  17. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Most of your post isn't worth requoting, but you shouldn't be torn here. She is an 18-yo female athlete (I use female because they are more prone to concussion than male counterparts) with a potential long career in front of her. No pun intended, but its a no-brainer. You sit the athlete until any symptons are clear. I've seen plenty of recurring concussions shortly after an initial injury occur to athletes around her age. You may not like it, but oh well.

    Just because you can't grasp it, doesn't mean the medical people can't.

    Its up to her teammates to pick it up.
     
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  18. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Unless US Soccer wants to make an announcement ahead of time, which I doubt.
     
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  19. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    Most of your post is not worth quoting.
    I think you greatly misunderstood what I was trying to say. My point was that "medical people" can not be trusted to have anything other than their pocketbooks as their first priority. There are good doctors, I happen to have one, but most of the medical profession is next to worthless if they meet anything requiring any real thought. That is the medical profession is right there with politicians in the trust category.

    If a trainer or doctor has doubts they need to find something else to put money in their bank account. Medicine is guess work and it really has little to do with science.
     
  20. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Wonderful theory. You should be published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
     
  21. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    Welcome to my ignore list. Goodbye! :(
     
  22. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Probably a better place to be.
     
  23. SakiBomb25

    SakiBomb25 Member

    Nov 13, 2004
    Essentially doctors only care about making money and not about its patients, and so will do or say anything that will advance their first objective, which is making money? Is that what you believe, or did I get that wrong?
     
  24. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    The US Soccer post-match report mentioned two players within the concussion protocol.

    "U.S. coach Tracey Kevins’ initial lineup featured one first-time World Cup starter. Orlando Pride rookie Ally Lemos was deployed in center midfield in place of Claire Hutton, who started each of the USA’s first four matches but was unavailable for the quarterfinal while in concussion protocol.

    Jordynn Dudley
    ’s goal was her second of the World Cup, second off the bench, and fifth U-20 tally in 12 appearances. Dudley missed the USA final two group games while in concussion protocol."

    Holding these players out of World Cup matches doesn't really support the narrative of an uncaring medical staff, recklessly returning injured players to the field. Whatever the concussion protocol, I'm sure Hutton will have to be cleared before she returns to action.

    https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/20...s-match-recap-fifa-u20-world-cup-quarterfinal
     
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