2024 USMNT Schedule

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  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Could that even be done before March 2026?
    @alslammerz does your calendar from October 2023 need to be redone, or is it still accurate?

     
  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be June depending on England’s schedule with Nations League and qualifiers according to the article.
     
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  4. alslammerz

    alslammerz Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Staten Island, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The calendar accounts for most teams in a confederation but not all of them.

    UEFA has Nations League in June, but that is just the League A semifinals and finals, so that would not impact England as a League B team.

    UEFA World Cup Qualifiers take place in June as well, but only for teams that are a) in a Group of 5 and b) that are in either the League A quarterfinals, or the League A/B or B/C promotion playoffs. So for England, even if they are drawn into a 5 team group, they should be free as long as they win their Nations League group (or if they bottle it and come in last in the group.) There should be other UEFA teams available too during that window.
     
  5. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    St. Louis will be hosting our Nations League match on November 18th. Worth noting we're electing to play the 2nd leg at home this year instead of the first like last year

     
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  6. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    Thanks.. yep bummer for me as I wanted them switched for travel/work reasons. Looks like 1st game of the leg will be Nov 14/15th away at one of the usual countries (Jam/Hon/CR/etc).

    Currently we are 2nd ranked pre-seeded team and will play the best runner up. We'll know who that is on Oct 15th.

    I'm begging for it to be Nov 15th instead of the 14th. Please soccer gods, please!
     
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  7. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Not as close to U.S. Thanksgiving this year.

    Unlikely. Last time, two of the quarter-finals followed the Thursday-Monday schedule and two of them followed the Friday-Tuesday schedule.
    That would mean Thursday, November 14th away
     
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  8. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Forgot you were a math major.
     
  9. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    Yep. Assuming that's the plan given the Monday night game.

    Fifas Oct rankings are released Oct 23rd. Since we are 1 place behind Mexico, and we play Mex on Oct 15, that'll have an impact on the draw I'd assume.
     
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  10. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  11. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
  12. alslammerz

    alslammerz Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Staten Island, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no idea how different this is from how FIFA rankings are calculated, but I would guess one reason they use their own is that Concacaf has non-FIFA members in it.

    In future scheduling thread news, Concacaf released the host cities of the 2025 Gold Cup. As expected, there are no games on the east coast which is the expected home of the FIFA Club World Cup.

     
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  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    This is outrageous, yet perfectly reasonable.

    This is outrageous, yet perfectly reasonable.
     
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  14. Eddie Stiel

    Eddie Stiel Member+

    Sep 27, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Last year, CONCACAF announced the pairings as soon as the group stage ended. For this year, its website had an article that ranked the seeded teams in this order: Mexico, USA, Canada, Panama, and listed the QF match ups accordingly. I can't find it again. The author almost definitely posted the pairings by mistake, and someone later corrected it.
     
  15. soccer_23

    soccer_23 Member

    Feb 6, 2014
    That’s right - last year they announced sometime around now that the *September* Concacaf rankings would be used to seed 1-4 for the quarterfinals. So we knew the exact position the US was in before the Oct group games were played.

    This year, they say it’ll be the *October* Concacaf rankings, which means we won’t officially know the parings until those rankings are released. Which is typically at the end of each month. This is stupid, as it’ll delay planning for everyone involved.

    However, someone on the US Soccer Reddit worked out that the Sept and Oct friendlies for teams 1-4 won’t have enough points weighting for the teams to change positions in the rankings, no matter the results. Not sure if that’s true or not.
     
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  16. Eddie Stiel

    Eddie Stiel Member+

    Sep 27, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I recall that CONCACAF also updated the rankings immediately following the completion of the group stage last year. I think we'll get the pairings on October 15 or 16. Last year, I was looking at flights for possible opponents after the third group stage match. There is more uncertainty this year. It is a good bet that the US will play the better ranked 2nd place team. I just hope that its not Guadeloupe, super expensive to fly there. I guess I looked last year. I think the cheapest way was via Paris.
     
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  17. soccer_23

    soccer_23 Member

    Feb 6, 2014
    Hopefully they update the rankings immediately. It just makes sense.

    Looking at the current standings and remaining matches (in this extremely unbalanced, unfair competition), the mostly likely opponents for the US (as QF seed number 2) in my estimation are Honduras, Guatemala, Suriname, and Guadeloupe. Some interesting locations there.
     
  18. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    It was this post done in May:
    https://www.concacaf.com/nations-le...schedule-for-2024-25-concacaf-nations-league/
    It has since been edited.
    At the time Canada was ranked 4th in CONCACAF. Now they are 3rd.

    Link please?

    I thought they used the October rankings last time too; I remember they released those CONCACAF rankings in mid-October, the day after all the matches were done. Between the September rankings and the October rankings of 2023, I don't think it was mathematically possible for one team to surpass another so it was the same thing. I may be misremembering though.
     
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  19. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a CONCACAF competition and not all participating teams are included in the FIFA rankings.
     
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  20. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    They have updated the rankings from August 31st to September 30th and this does NOT seem to be true. Canada has leapfroged the USA!
     
  21. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty wild swing from a friendly window IMO. Panama's not far behind us at 4th, if they upset us in Austin we could in theory fall further
     
  22. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I don't know how much games are weighted (friendlies vs competitive) but it does seem like a lot.
    More than pride is on the line in those October friendlies.
     
  23. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is interesting you guys are only playing once too. If we both handle Panama, I do wonder if there's enough points to be had from beating Mexico away
     
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  24. alslammerz

    alslammerz Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Staten Island, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on the Concacaf formula of P = K * (R – E)

    where K for a Friendly is 17.5, R is the match result and E is the expected result (which is a number between +1, guaranteed win, and -1, guaranteed loss, where 0 represents a total coin flip)

    Figure IF the E of Mexico at home vs the US was considered a guaranteed loss, you'd be looking at the formula being P = 17.5(1 - -1) = 35. And the US is down by 20 right now to Canada. So it would at least be possible depending on other results, I would think.
     

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