2024 Non-Champions (i.e. Other Teams’) News Thread—Streaming Now on BigSoccer +

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by TKyle, Dec 12, 2023.

  1. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1726 Bill Archer, Dec 13, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2024
    It would be the best thing for all concerned.

    Kerfoot got the team with a fraudulent promise to build a soccer stadium and then threw in with the CFL team in cavernous BC Place, a horrible place to watch soccer played on plastic where they get zero revenue from anything but a cut of tickets and merch. Parking, concessions, etc. all goes to.the government.

    It's the worst deal in the league and they wouldnt.be allowed to build something else even if somebody had the money. Which they don't.

    So even if some.billionaire wanted to buy the thing, it's almost impossible to make any money. The team has been lobbying the league for increased revenue sharing and a luxury tax on high spending teams in order to try and break even.

    Reportedly, the Caps have the lowest club valuation in all of MLS. Making things worse, the crushing Canafian tax system means they have to pay 25% more for players to net the same amount as they'd make at a comparable US team.

    And the road trips are long and expensive.

    Like I said.it.would. be better for everyone if they moved. It's a no win situation.
     
  2. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, they had their choice of two guys and chose Issa over the dude that left and went to Montreal, so they must like something about him. I’m sure he’s also been recommended by Bez and Nancy.
     
  3. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow.
    Surprising they had a good of a year as they did, since it sounds as if they have no money.
    It could soon suck to be a Whitecaps fan.
     
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  4. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ButbutbutbutbutCascadia!!
     
  5. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO it’s disappointing that an old-school club from the original NASL could disappear.
     
  6. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words, whichever government (Vancouver or BC) that owns BC Place wants everything (the revenue windfall from 17+ extra dates at BC Place) or nothing (no MLS team bringing in tax and ancillary revenue) rather than allow a second major league rectangular stadium in Vancouver?

    Also, might the Whitecaps moving to the US be the excuse FIFA and/or CONCACAF is looking for to force TFC and whatever the Impact are calling themselves these days to the CPL?
     
  7. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BC Place is owned and operated by what is called a Crown Corporation, which is an entity wholly owned by the provincial government, like the lottery or the liquor stores or the electric company.

    In order to build another stadium you'd need to get provincial approval, meaning that BC would be giving up one of their two primary tenants which provide the income used to pay off the bonds.
     
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  8. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since BC Place will be used for the World Cup, FIFA might not be pleased if there's no top division team there.
     
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  9. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aren't there more tha a few WC stadia already that don't have that status? Dallas, Houston, KC, Miami, and so on...
     
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  10. ColumbusFTW

    ColumbusFTW Member+

    Jul 18, 2018
    It is a toxic situation up there, but after what we went through less than a decade ago it would be pretty hypocritical to support them moving away for money reasons. Their club's history dates back two decades before the Crew came into existence. There are a lot of bad stadiums in this league. Hell, Audi Field has only been open for six years and it's just a soulless post-modern version of the dump in Colorado. I'd prefer to see all the billionaires get behind an effort against the Canadian government to give them a fairer stadium deal or the ability to move out and build something new.
     
  11. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their cities have a team.
     
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  12. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes and no.

    The reason there was such a backlash among all MLS fans over the Columbus situation was because option number one should always be to try to improve the situation in the current market, and re-location should always be option two. Precourt didn't even ATTEMPT option one.

    If he had spent years making a genuine attempt to improve corporate relations, expand the fanbase, build a new stadium, etc., and things just kept getting progressively worse or stagnated, then eventually we would have had to accept our fate. The newfound success under the Haslems proves that option one was never even considered. (Along with what we know about the clause in the original contract about Austin.)

    So yes, I hope they're able to get something done to land them in a better situation. But the Joker is not the Riddler, and Vancouver isn't Columbus. If other factors in play make it impossible for them to improve their situation -- to build a new stadium and improve revenue streams -- there might be a point where moving becomes inevitable.
     
  13. DCED2019

    DCED2019 Member

    Columbus Crew
    England
    Jun 6, 2024
    This is 100% correct. Issa is good and was always going to be the one to step into Bez’s shoes. However, Bez held more clout with Jimmy et al. Perfect example is that Bez and Dr Pete were able to talk Jimmy out of cutting academy spending. I’m not sure if that’d happen now. Hopefully, Issa will find more of a voice as he ages and grows in experience. The flip side is that I can also see Jimmy pushing more the longer he owns the team.
     
  14. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Sep 28, 2021
    You still believe that lie? Damn it Bez knew damn well what the rules were. It was to calm down the fan base from freaking out about selling a club legend in LZ. Gullible I tell ya
     
  15. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    I still wager that Bez was trying to do an NFL style extension for Nagbe where you lower his cap for that season and spread out the budget cost over more seasons. MLS isn't going to allow such a skirt of its roster rules, especially in a league where the cap hardly goes up.
     
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  16. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What lie? Of course he knew what the rules were. He presumably asked a league known for tweaking them on occasion to do so again in this case, and he was told to go pound sand. I don’t doubt he asked the league for help. I also don’t see why that would have had any effect of fan opinion. It didn’t make him look any better, imho. A bit like how the club shouldn’t have been so casual about its keeper call-up situation last season, or maybe should have anticipated the risks involved with signing a backup keeper who’d be away on national team duty regularly.
     
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  17. DCED2019

    DCED2019 Member

    Columbus Crew
    England
    Jun 6, 2024
    Like you, I instantly thought of Black Knight/Vegas when I heard about the Vancouver sale. There is now whispering from an MLS source of potential movement in regards to Vegas possibly getting a team. No specific mention of Vancouver, but it’s quite a coincidence…
     
  18. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Schedule incoming.

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    Crewsmas when?
     
  19. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    Will they announce Thursday that the Miami game will be in Cleveland
     
  20. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kinda odd. Usually they announce all the teams’ home openers first, then drop the whole schedule like a week or so later.
     
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  21. WhiteHartShame

    WhiteHartShame Member+

    Nov 16, 2008
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will they also announce the Austin away match in Columbus???
     
  22. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...as far "away" from Columbus as they can make it....
     
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  23. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    I think they are under the gun trying to get the schedule out before the NCAA playoffs. College football expansion has wrecked MLS's early December window of relevancy. The next 10 weeks will be devoted to American football in the sports media landscape.

    SD already had several of their games released. Side note, their stadium grass field was a mess this past year. It's a nice stadium but it needs a canopy, a drainage system (it has none), and a hybrid field.
     
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  24. Captain Invader

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 25, 2005
    Lake County (Ohio)
  25. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wonder if the Crew will play in Denver this year - might have to make the trek for that one! I don't think I've ever attended a game as a non-home fan.
     

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