2024 MLS Playoffs Best of Three, Games 2 & 3 Referee Discussion

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  1. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Point of order: It should officially be reported neither as AL, or (as Villarreal erroneously said in his VAR announcement) as VC. Spitting/biting is its own send-off category in the Laws of the Game, abbreviated SB.
     
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  2. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Frei makes a save in the shoot-out, but disallowed after review the kick is retaken for goalkeeper encroachment.
     
  3. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    So wait they saw this spitting incident on VAR and didn’t call it spitting?
     
  4. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Villarreal announced the “spitting” offense, but at the end of the announcement he also said “Violent Conduct”, which is what I was referring to.
     
  5. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would imagine that the appropriate offense will be in the official match report. I would imagine a VAR announcement doesn’t count as an “official” documentation.

    Olsen chasing Villarreal off the field dissenting. Hopefully that ends up as a send off in the match report as well.
     
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  6. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Wtf was Herrera complaining about either? That was a nailed-on yellow card. Absolutely brain dead.

    Wish Armando had thrown the coach and carded a couple dissenting players as well, absolutely classless.
     
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  7. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

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  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
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  9. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
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    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    watched the replay and from that it’s clear he spit at him. Good use of VAR and correct decision
     
  10. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or to just not even bother reading the replies since we know what the the responses will be-crazily anti-referee.
     
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  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, blocking them now keeps them out of my replies later.
     
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  12. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From Reddit: "CONCACAF After Dark allows that, MLS After Dark might let you away with it, but in the daylight savings era?"
     
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  13. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Point well taken since I stay far away from the Twitters and most everything else on social media.
     
  14. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Member+

    May 25, 2006


    I assume a lengthy suspension.
    This is assault against a referee.
     
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  15. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
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    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. A66C

    A66C Member

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    United States
    Jan 3, 2022
    Game 3 Assignments

    11/08/2024


    Los Angeles FC vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    BMO Stadium (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Jeremy Kieso
    AR2: Kali Smith
    4TH: Armando Villarreal
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    11/09/2024

    FC Cincinnati vs New York City FC
    TQL Stadium (4PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Micheal Barwegen
    4TH: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Orlando City vs Charlotte FC
    Inter&Co Stadium (6PM ET)
    REF: Ismir Pekmic
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Jeffrey Greeson
    4TH: Sergii Boiko
    VAR: Ismail Elfath
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    Inter Miami vs Atlanta United
    Chase Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Lukasz Szpala
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Andrew Bigelow
    4TH: Tori Penso
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert
     
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  17. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Playoffs debut for Kali Smith^
     
  18. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is a recommendation floating around from the DisCo for 2 additional games for Herrera. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means it was sanctioned as referee abuse rather than assault fwiw. USSF's guidelines make a distinction between spitting *on* a referee (assault) versus "merely" spitting *at* them (abuse).
     
  19. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #44 RefIADad, Nov 8, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2024
    If you're looking at the magnitude of these game 3s, I don't think there's a lot of doubt that Szpala got the biggest assignment. He's been on some kind of trajectory the last 3-4 years.

    From a personal standpoint, tonight should be a fun sports night with my alma mater's basketball team playing at 7 CT followed by LAFC-Vancouver. The end of the basketball game should roll almost perfectly into the kickoff time for the playoff game.
     
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  20. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume whatever suspension is imposed should vary over into whatever league he signs with next? Can’t imagine any MLS team picks him up

    also, two additional games (three in total) seems pretty light for this.
     
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  21. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
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    No it doesn't carry over unless it's so egregious that FIFA gets involved (i.e. Suarez's ban for biting at the 2014 World Cup).
     
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  22. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    FWIW, Cuautehmoc Blanco is still suspended from the US Open Cup after all these years cuz he hasn't been playing in the USA. So I imagine Herrera's suspension (assuming he's suspended) would only be served if he played in an MLS or USSF competition.
     
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  23. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure that's a USOC urban legend, and his suspension is fully served. I do remember there was a coach who was on the list for years and years before he finally coached another team in the competition recently and sat out his game.

    I also am pretty sure there have been players these last few years who have sat out due to a disciplinary issue from a previous league. Did I imagine that, or is that a thing now?
     
  24. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dod they nix the injury rule where a player must leave the field for the playoffs?
     
  25. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Really surprised VAR didn’t intervene in the 46th minute. That’s a penalty.
     
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