2024 MLS Playoffs Best of Three, Game 1 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by ManiacalClown, Oct 24, 2024.

  1. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Great teamwork by Penso here.
     
  2. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I love this new playoff format, as a fan. Just like last year, these playoffs have already been spicy so far! That’s what, 3 red cards and could/should have been 3 more through 8 games? And that’s not even getting to Game 2 or Game 3 against the same opponents yet!
     
  3. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    PK just given to Seattle at 90+10 by Unkel for handling... very close decision and seems that the arm was in a natural position - will see if VAR overturns.
     
  4. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I have that as a correct review and overturn. Arm was in a natural position close to the player’s side.

    One note on this though, I don’t think enough time was added on afterwards. In added time there were 2 substitution moments that took mire than 30 seconds each, and the handball check and review itself was a bit over 3 minutes. So I think, no matter what, we should have been getting at least 4 additional minutes on top of the original 12 added (a super strict tabulation would probably come out to 5, even). Instead, we only got a little less than 3 extra minutes, which was shorter than just the check+review alone.
     
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  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought you could see in the background that he was already whistling before the punch and before Penso intervened.
     
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  6. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I agree. It was stupid and easily could be red, but he was just trying to upend him rather than cleat him.
     
  7. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the plot thickens because apparently the Pep Biel red was given for the first jab towards the ankle as opposed to the leg sweep.
     
  8. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    KFTM are simply embarrassing these days.
    The tiny steps, stutters, stops, need to be outlawed.
     
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  9. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Why? It’s not like the guys doing that are getting a u fair advantage and making a lot more than the ones that don’t. The stop at the ball was outlawed because it was in fact unfair to the GK with the GK restrictions.
     
  10. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Which is no longer called. One of the first ones last night was a definite stop, keeper dives, the ball kicked in net. Nothing done.

    It is already tilted against keepers. All the feints, stutter steps, stopping, etc make it even more difficult on keepers.
     
  11. Midwest Ref

    Midwest Ref Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    What is not permitted is to get all the way up to the ball, fake a kick in one direction, and then pass it into the other side of the goal. That is not what happened here. You and I might not like the move, and maybe it should be illegal, but under the current laws of the game it is legal.
     
  12. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    It’s the same for keepers on both teams in KFTM, so not a fairness issue. If there is a fairness issue, it is would be on I -game PKs, where it affects the severity of the punishment if it changes the chance of success. The ability of the kicker to stop (not feint) at the ball adds risk to a GK guessing the timing. But there is also risk to the kicker—if the kicker stops and the GK hasn’t moved, the kicker has a touch shot with no run up.

    IFAB cares about entertainment ($$$) as well as fairness. Having more different styles of kicks in shoot outs adds to the entertainment value, so I don’t see any chance IFAB is going to throttle back feints/stutters in any significant way.
     
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  13. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Other than (usually English) pundit quacks online, I’ve hardly ever seen anyone complain about stutter step PKs outside of this forum. Do some of y’all just get angry when you see someone stop in the run-up of a kick because it ‘looks ridiculous’ or something? Each to their own, but I don’t get it.
     
  14. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    People complain all the time on Reddit. I don’t openly criticize it but it’s incredibly annoying. Penalty kicks are already something like 75-80% converted. It’s more or less awarding a goal if you call one. Why can’t the player just run up and take a shot.
     
  15. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    I agree it's currently legal which is why it says "needs to be outlawed"
     
  16. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    While we disagree about who it hurts, I agree that the driving force behind all decisions is ca$h
     
  17. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Originally it was legal to stop, start, etc at any time.

    Then it was made that you had to just run up (no stutter steps, stops, etc at all) and kick the ball in one smooth movement.

    Then it was determined that wasn't what the game wanted (also, really tough to enforce).

    Which is why it is legal again. Except for stopping right at the end.
     
  18. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    That was a HS rule, but I don’t believe it was ever in the Laws.
     
  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/competitions/mls-cup-playoffs-cup-short/2024/matches/rslvsmin-10-29-2024/

    3:14 mark.
    The long step and hard stomp (which I'd argue was a stop) should be illegal.
    He didn't feint after the stop which is currently illegal, but he did stop and wait.
    It should have to be continuous motion. His certainly wasn't.

    Is there a law on how long he could have stood there stopped as long as he never feinted?
     
  20. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    No directly—at some point I suppose it could be delaying the restart and a caution, but realistically he can stand there. To what advantage? He’s now limited to a standing kick and has to be careful of not doing anything that would be deemed a feint. Once he stops and the GK didn’t guess and dive, this has become a poor proposition for the kicker.
     

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