2024 MLS Match Day 15 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by ManiacalClown, May 16, 2024.

  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    05/15/24



    Nashville vs Atlanta United
    GEODIS Park (1:45PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Lyes Arfa
    AR2: Mike Nickerson
    4TH: Alexis Da Silva
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Charlotte FC vs LA Galaxy
    Bank of America Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Jeffrey Swartzel
    AR2: Walt Heatherly
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    FC Cincinnati vs St Louis CITY
    TQL Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Timothy Ford
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: Chantal Boudreau
    4TH: Ismir Pekmic
    VAR: Fotis Bazakos
    AVAR: Josef Batko

    Inter Miami vs D.C. United
    Chase Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AR1: Cameron Blanchard
    AR2: Brian Dunn
    4TH: Adam Kilpatrick
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    New England Revolution vs Philadelphia Union
    Gillette Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Filip Dujic
    AR1: Diego Blas
    AR2: Felisha Mariscal
    4TH: Calin Radosav
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    New York City FC vs New York Red Bulls
    Citi Field (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Kevin Lock
    4TH: JC Griggs
    VAR: Michael Radchuk
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Toronto FC vs CF Montréal
    BMO Field (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Stefan Tanaka-Freundt
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Fabrizio Stasolla
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    Austin FC vs Sporting Kansas City
    Q2 Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Sergii Boiko
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Nicholas Balcer
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Ian McKay

    Chicago Fire vs Columbus Crew
    Soldier Field (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Ricardo Fierro
    AR1: Brooke Mayo
    AR2: Jeremy Hanson
    4TH: Lukasz Szpala
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    Houston Dynamo vs FC Dallas
    Shell Energy Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Tori Penso
    AR1: Kathryn Nesbitt
    AR2: Meghan Mullen
    4TH: Matt Thompson
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Rene Parra

    Minnesota United vs Portland Timbers
    Allianz Field (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Andrew Bigelow
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4TH: Elvis Osmanovic
    VAR: Ricardo Montero Araya
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Real Salt Lake vs Colorado Rapids
    America First Field (9:30PM ET)
    REF: Jon Freemon
    AR1: Chris Elliott
    AR2: Kali Smith
    4TH: TBD
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Kevin Klinger

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Orlando City
    PayPal Park (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Malik Badawi
    AR1: Ryan Graves
    AR2: Adam Garner
    4TH: Brandon Stevis
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    Seattle Sounders vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    Lumen Field (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Justin Howard
    AR2: Ben Pilgrim
    4TH: Elijio Arreguin
    VAR: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki
     
  2. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Fierro 1st whistle?
     
  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4th
     
  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    TBD in Utah is Mark Allatin
     
  5. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    This shit needs to be sanctioned.
    Miazga needs a card here.
     
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  6. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Apparently sounders Twitter is up in arms about a handball call they didn’t get in the 81st minute or so and the handball PK 2nd yellow called against them at around 90.

    The second incident is, in my view, a clear penalty and yellow card. The first one I think is more interesting and debatable. There is a movement of the arm towards the ball, but to me it looks more like a reflex motion (and therefore not deliberate), and the overall movement of the arm is to pull it up and into the chest. It will split opinions.
     
  7. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    I get the point of this and the injury rule, but that doesn’t mean I like them. There are other ways to deal with this.
     
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  8. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Just waiting for the inevitable part of the end of the season where Messi has to wait out the 2 minutes and instead of getting disappointed again just comes back onto the pitch early. Either he'll be let on and score or he'll make a scene.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Suarez dove a couple times last night. Once he fooled the ref and once he didn’t. It’ll be interesting if he gets disciplined.
     
  10. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    nobody at MLS HQ wants Luis Suarez suspended
     
  11. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RSL's Matt Crooks also incurred the too slow coming off penalty, which is fine except the rest of the game the center warned Rapids players to hurry or get penalized. Which is also fine IMO except he didn't hurry Crooks along.
     
  12. incognitoind

    incognitoind Member

    Apr 8, 2015
    I didn’t see it but I doubt this is true. Also, it’s really not up to the referee to make sure every player knows the rules. The “hurry up” is a courtesy and more because the penalty is detrimental to their own match control and one they don’t want to have to enforce.
     
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  13. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Sounds like a rule that will be at best inconsistently enforced. Either that or like the 6 second goalkeeper ball-in-hands rule that you never see enforced.

    Not the fans need a reason to believe the referees have it out for their team.
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #14 MassachusettsRef, May 20, 2024
    Last edited: May 20, 2024
    As seems to regularly be the case, I'd be wary of accepting one angle there. That is a pretty ugly over-the-ball challenge. There's no way of knowing from that single angle if the boot contacts with Miazga on the other side of the ball or not. In fact, I would imagine it did, honestly. Even if it didn't, all players sort of recognize this is an unnecessary way to challenge and actually a pretty dirty play. Try doing that in a local Hispanic amateur league game and see what happens.

    Regardless, the fascination with carding players for possibly exaggerating injuries confounds me. If we focused more on identifying bad challenges and punishing them approriately, we'd be in a lot better shape. Players whine. They exaggerate--sometimes to deceive, but also sometimes in the hopes of ensuring a referee makes a call that he should be making. This is a foul. It's actually potentially a very bad foul, though thankfully the result isn't bad here. Regardless, that's where our focus should be.

    I finally got to watch this and, oof, it is worse than I expected.

    To start, the second one is a penalty--no doubt, really. I question the 2CT, though it is that new grey area where we debate whether or not it's a shot on goal or at goal or toward goal and factor in any speculative nature and the more I write, the less sure I am what the standard is for a caution on something like this. It feels like it doesn't need to be yellow anymore, but maybe I'm wrong.

    On the first one, it's the classic chicken wing. I get Rivas missing it. The immediate appeals were minor. But I don't know how you don't send that down as a VAR. Feels like a forest for the trees situation. The arm is close to the body and he does tuck it as the ball approaches. So in some ways, he's making his silhouette smaller. But, c'mon. It's a chicken wing, as the announcer identifies. It's the most classic case of a deliberate handball other than the U10 "oops I forgot what sport and I slapped the ball" scenario. The player instinctively blocks a shot with his arm. In the end, I think this is a case where the VAR is focused on "is he unnaturally bigger" and ignores the "did he deliberately handle the ball" standard? Because this might be one of those rare cases where a player is not unnaturally bigger but did deliberately handle.
     
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  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think the Sounders twitter is up in arms over Nouhou's pk and yellow. It is more in the context of "If the first isn't, then how can you call the second?"
     

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