News: 2024 MLS Attendance Thread

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  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Consider the source
     
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  2. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meanwhile, back at the ranch....Has anybody seen an attendance figure for Sunday's Atlanta-Philadelphia game? I've looked at every online source that I can think of and can't find one. It looked bad on TV (at least by Atlanta standards), but I'm wondering how bad.
     
  3. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    A poster on Twitter (so not a real number by any stretch) said the full stadium was open, but only a few people showed up on the upper deck. He expected ~44k to be announced. Again, this is not even close to official.

    EDIT: I also noticed 45k against the Fire. Did Atlanta increase capacity for regular games?

    SECOND EDIT: I also read that one of the reason for the "low" attendance that day was the perfect weather. However the roof at the stadium remained closed - does that mean that they will basically never open it? Why did they spend all that money on that crazy mechanism if they don't use it?
     
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  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea we had about two years with pretty high inflation. We’re past that now.

    However, you are apparently unaware that inflation doesn’t just affect prices. There is also wage inflation. So until you think in terms of real dollars rather than nominal dollars you won’t understand anything.

    Thanks for coming to my TED talk
     
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  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Where was it 6 months ago?
     
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  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    You're totally right, but I do feel bad for the people who never got their wage adjusted.
     
  7. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I couldn't see the upper deck on TV, but the lower deck looked underpopulated.

    Was the roof closed for purposes of air conditioning? I've been sweating like a pig today, and I live somewhere between 500 and 1,000 miles north of Atlanta.

    Did the final day of the Masters affect other events in Georgia on Sunday?
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A crash would be 10% or more in 2 or 3 days. 5% over 2 weeks in the face of an attack on Israel by a major middle-eastern power would reflect the robustness of the market.

    The Dow fell 5% in 3 weeks last May and we're still here.
     
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  9. CalvinKnox

    CalvinKnox Member

    Columbus Crew, Liverpool
    United States
    Sep 6, 2008
    Columbus,OH
     
  10. CalvinKnox

    CalvinKnox Member

    Columbus Crew, Liverpool
    United States
    Sep 6, 2008
    Columbus,OH
    42,763, per match report article in the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation.
     
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  11. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The economy isn't something that's constant. Just because wages are rising doesn't mean discretionary income is, an people might cut back because they see volatility through out the market. Yes wages are now outpacing inflation but that doesn't mean I have as much in my pocket for discretionary spending. This isn't a crazy point to say that in the future with so many things going on in the world that attendance could go down because of the economy.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the future the economy will effect attendances. I think we can ask agree on that.
     
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  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok so your point is that things like the US economy and global pandemics and nuclear war would have an effect on attendance. Got it. Thanks.
     
  14. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're welcome.
     
  15. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was at the Atlanta game, and the full stadium wasn't open so not sure where that information is coming from. It seemed to be an average attended game (camera facing expensive midfield seats are always empty), you can tell when attendance is sparse because the supporter's section is half full; yesterday their whole section was filled except for the very top couple rows.
     
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  16. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Over the next 5 years, sure, but in 10 years' time?

    Footballers play where the salaries are higher and MLS is already paying DPs and TAM players top Championship or even upper-mid BL/Serie A money. Once MLS starts paying those salary ranges to Starting XIs, American players will tend to stay at home until they're around 23-27 and the EL and CL sides make their offers.

    As to whether those guys staying at home is going to move the needle much, it's doubtful IMO. It needs more Americans loving the game and getting into the habit of going to MLS games and generally supporting US club soccer for that
     
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    We’re fine at this moment
     
  18. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Real wages are also up in the last year. Though that was not the case coming out of the pandemic when higher inflation cancelled out the wage gains and then some.

    The market now is just reacting to Israel/Iran and the fact that the inflation data was a smidge higher than expected, and consumer spending higher than expected. Wall Street wants a rate decrease and both those monthly reports scream later (fall/winter) rather than sooner (spring/summer).
     
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  19. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm pretty sure I remember attendances for pro sports holding up well in prior recessions (it's been so long since we've had a traditional one outside of the pandemic phase) but people will cut travel and attend local events instead. Pricing power may take a hit though.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They fell slightly in 2008 and 2009. Nothing significant.
     
  21. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    I wouldn’t pay too much attention to unemployment figures for the next decade or so. Boomers are retiring at such a high rate that younger people entering the workforce can’t keep up. This has created a yearly surplus of about 400,000 jobs and it is expected to reach nearly one million jobs left open by. 2033-2035 ish range.
    It’s going to be a workers market for the foreseeable future.

    edit: to get this back on topic, hopefully the boomers spend some of that extra time at their closest MLS stadium
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If only we could get more workers from somewhere.
    Screenshot_20240415_212804_Chrome.jpg
     
  23. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We already import workers from Mexico. So much so that people complain non stop that it isn't fair. Although it's mostly summer seasonal work there is a huge uproar they should stay in their own country. Most people just don't understand how much more these workers can earn here instead of back in Mexico just working for a shot time. Sadly they have to travel in the summer heat to where the work is available and usually aren't welcome when they get there but it's all about making big money in the US. Myself, I have no problem welcoming these people but just for a short time in July for seasonal work. Leagues Cup needs workers from Mexico and they deserve the money they earn as they make things here better for MLS
     
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  24. MLSfan66

    MLSfan66 Member

    NYCFC
    United States
    Feb 3, 2023
    This thread is getting very political, nobody will change anyone's minds because of a posting in a soccer forum, lol. Does anyone know New York City's attendance from Saturday?
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I'm a boomer, barely, born in the early 60s. I still have a job for.......7 more months. :)
    I'm already spending as much time at the local stadium as I can.
     

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