2024 Leagues Cup Assignments & General Discussion Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by ManiacalClown, Jul 25, 2024.

  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Round of 32:

    Cincinnati vs Santos Laguna

    REF: Víctor CÁCERES (MEX)
    AR1: Leonardo CASTILLO (MEX)
    AR2: Henri PUPIRO (NCA)
    4TH: Lizzet GARCÍA (MEX)
    VAR: Diana PÉREZ (MEX)
    AVAR: TBA


    Columbus vs Sporting KC

    REF: Juan CALDERÓN (CRC)
    AR1: William ARRIETA (CRC)
    AR2: William CHOW (CRC)
    4TH: Marianela ARAYA (CRC)
    VAR: Ricardo MONTERO (CRC)
    AVAR: TBA


    D.C. United vs Mazatlán

    REF: Selvin BROWN (HON)
    AR1: Gerson ORELLANA (HON)
    AR2: Iroots APPLETON (ATG)
    4TH: José FUENTES (GUA)
    VAR: Benjamín PINEDA (CRC)
    AVAR: TBA


    New England vs New York City

    REF: Julio LUNA (GUA)
    AR1: Juan TIPAZ (GUA)
    AR2: Cristian ALVARADO (GUA)
    4TH: Walter LÓPEZ (GUA)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Orlando vs Cruz Azul

    REF: Fernando RAMÍREZ (MEX)
    AR1: Michel ESPINOZA (MEX)
    AR2: David MORÁN (SLV)
    4TH: Nelson SALGADO (HON)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Philadelphia vs Montréal

    REF: Daniel HUITRÓN (MEX)
    AR1: Jorge SÁNCHEZ (MEX)
    AR2: Christian ESPINOSA (MEX)
    4TH: Marco ORTIZ (MEX)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    St. Louis vs Portland

    REF: Pierre-Luc LAUZIÈRE (CAN)
    AR1: Stefan TANAKA-FREUNDT (CAN)
    AR2: Jeremy KIESO (USA)
    4TH: Christopher MASON (JAM)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Toluca vs Houston

    REF: Rubiel VÁZQUEZ (USA)
    AR1: Nick URANGA (USA)
    AR2: Shirley PERELLÓ (HON)
    4TH: Bryan LÓPEZ (GUA)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Juárez vs Colorado

    REF: Armando VILLARREAL (USA)
    AR1: Cameron BLANCHARD (USA)
    AR2: Helpys FELIZ (DOM)
    4TH: Randy ENCARNACIÓN (DOM)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Club América vs Atlas

    REF: Oshane NATION (JAM)
    AR1: Caleb WALES (TRI)
    AR2: Ojay DUHANEY (JAM)
    4TH: Steffon DEWAR (JAM)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA
     
  2. Jose Contreras

    Jose Contreras New Member

    Philadelphia Union
    Mexico
    Aug 8, 2024
    Round of 16 referee crew?
     
  3. Craig Millett

    Craig Millett New Member

    Man Utd
    England
    Aug 9, 2024
    Do we have round of 16 referees
     
  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Round of 16

    Seattle vs Pumas UNAM (Aug 12)

    REF: Joe DICKERSON (USA)
    AR1: Nick URANGA (USA)
    AR2: Chris ELLIOTT (USA)
    4TH: Jon FREEMON (USA)
    VAR: Daniel RADFORD (USA)
    AVAR: TBA
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jose from Mexico and Craig from England can breathe a sigh of relief now.
     
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  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still 7 more games tomorrow if anyone ever decides to release the assignments to the public.
     
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  7. Craig Millett

    Craig Millett New Member

    Man Utd
    England
    Aug 9, 2024
    When the others are released yes
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Round of 16 (Aug 13)

    Cincinnati vs Philadelphia

    REF: Rubiel VÁZQUEZ (USA)
    AR1: Kyle ATKINS (USA)
    AR2: Cory RICHARDSON (USA)
    4TH: José FUENTES (GUA)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Columbus vs Inter Miami

    REF: Iván BARTON (SLV)
    AR1: David MORÁN (SLV)
    AR2: Henri PUPIRO (SLV)
    4TH: Ismael CORNEJO (SLV)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Cruz Azul vs Mazatlán

    REF: Luis SANTANDER (MEX)
    AR1: Leonardo CASTILLO (MEX)
    AR2: Humberto PANJOJ (GUA)
    4TH: Lizzet GARCÍA (MEX)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Tigres UANL vs New York City

    REF: Keylor HERRERA (CRC)
    AR1: William CHOW (CRC)
    AR2: Víctor RAMÍREZ (CRC)
    4TH: Josué ÚGALDE (CRC)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Toluca vs Colorado

    REF: Walter LÓPEZ (GUA)
    AR1: Keytzel CORRALES (NCA)
    AR2: Helpys FELIZ (DOM)
    4TH: Sergio REYNA (GUA)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    Club América vs St. Louis

    REF: Marco ORTIZ (MEX)
    AR1: Christian ESPINOSA (MEX)
    AR2: Jorge SÁNCHEZ (MEX)
    4TH: Adonai ESCOBEDO (MEX)
    VAR/AVAR: TBA


    LAFC vs San Jose remains TBA at the moment
     
  9. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    What's the rule on "double jeopardy" these days?

    Should the DOGSO 2CT + PK in the 92nd minute instead been a DOGSO RC + PK since the defender made no attempt to play the ball? The defender in question was already on a YC, so it's just semantics, but the foul itself was worthy of being a straight RC.
     
  10. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR


    5:50… a very generous application of “making an attempt to play the ball”.
     
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  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LAFC vs San Jose (Aug 13)

    REF: Pierre-Luc LAUZIÈRE (CAN)
    AR1: Stefan TANAKA-FREUNDT (CAN)
    AR2: Jeremy KIESO (USA)
    4TH: Lukasz SZPALA (USA)
    VAR: Daneon PARCHMENT (JAM)
    AVAR: TBA
     
  12. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Emphasis on “very”.

    Dickerson was behind the play (not really his fault, as it was an unexpected turnover and a fast transition), and the last shot of him on video makes it seem like he was straight-lined. But AR2 would have had a good angle to determine a challenge or not.

    If I were AR2 and asked for assistance, I would have advised sendoff. But practically, the end result is the same (Pumas player walks) regardless of DOGSO-CT or DOGSO-R.
     
  13. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two handball penalties whistled for América in the second half. The first is reviewed and overturned for being above the bottom of the armpit. The second is handled off of what looks like a deliberate play off his own leg having previously come off the head of a teammate. The penalty stood and gave América the lead.
     
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  14. Jose Contreras

    Jose Contreras New Member

    Philadelphia Union
    Mexico
    Aug 8, 2024
    Quarter finals referee assignments?
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @Craig Millett, do you know?
     
  16. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quarterfinals (Aug 17)

    Columbus vs New York City

    REF: Joe DICKERSON (USA)
    AR1: Corey PARKER (USA)
    AR2: Logan BROWN (USA)
    4TH: Rubiel VÁZQUEZ (USA)
    RAR: Nick URANGA (USA)
    VAR: Daniel RADFORD (USA)
    AVAR: Edvin JURISEVIC (USA)


    Philadelphia vs Mazatlán

    REF: Selvin BROWN (HON)
    AR1: Gerson ORELLANA (HON)
    AR2: Iroots APPLETON (ATG)
    4TH: Walter LÓPEZ (GUA)
    RAR: Keytzel CORRALES (NCA)
    VAR: Daneon PARCHMENT (JAM)
    AVAR: Allen CHAPMAN (USA)


    Seattle vs LAFC

    REF: César RAMOS (MEX)
    AR1: Alberto MORÍN (MEX)
    AR2: Marco BISGUERRA (MEX)
    4TH: Adonai ESCOBEDO (MEX)
    RAR: Enrique BUSTOS (MEX)
    VAR: Erick MIRANDA (MEX)
    AVAR: Óscar MEJÍA (MEX)


    Colorado vs Club América

    REF: Keylor HERRERA (CRC)
    AR1: William CHOW (CRC)
    AR2: Víctor RAMÍREZ (CRC)
    4TH: Ismael CORNEJO (SLV)
    RAR: Juan ZUMBA (SLV)
    VAR: Ricardo MONTERO (CRC)
    AVAR: Luis SANTANDER (MEX)
     
  17. Union Pensioner

    Jul 16, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Selvin Brown at the center of attention in Chester as he gives Tai Baribo a yellow and then straight red on back to back attempted attacking corner kicks for the union. Straight red goes to VAR and overturned to second yellow/red. Going to be a cagey second half.
     
  18. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The best part is I don't even think the second yellow is misconduct at all. The VAR recommends a review because he doesn't think it's a straight red, but did he still have a YC, or did Brown reach that conclusion on his own at the monitor, as is his prerogative?
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely comical.
     
  20. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    maybe why it took so long… VAR trying unsuccessfully to tell him no card.

    On the positive side, the MLS 10 man advantage extends to Leagues Cup.
     
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  21. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Always here for the MLS 10 Man Advantage
     
  22. Union Pensioner

    Jul 16, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had/have the same opinion but didn’t want to show my union bias for those who had not seen the sequence. Is there any disco for leagues cup? Would this even be eligible?
     
  23. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably all Concacaf's business
     
  24. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #99 jarbitro, Aug 17, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2024
    Baribo's red card is a mess, but honestly the first caution was softer than the second one. The behind the goal angle on the second one looks sufficient for a ref to say, "look, I just cautioned him for that, and he turns around and does *the exact same thing.* Obviously Brown doesn't get to see the replay of the first one to realize Baribo is being set up.

    But the real reason it is a mess is the overall optics. Mazatlán has won red cards relatively early in the last three games.
    Vs. DC, Stroud got sent off at like '29 or something for a flailing arm swat that he deserved, but was definitely goaded into.
    Vs. Cruz Azul, a second caution that was... well, deserved, but could also have been pocketed. Very start of second half. A dumb SPA kind of card but one that could have been an AC (although try that at your own risk in this tournament, which is apparently what Brown is thinking).

    So now you are in game 3, the ref is falling for Mazatlans dives and antics, he gives a caution for the check on the first CK, and then sends the dude for a very similar check on the next one, and 3 games in a row Mazatlan has a man advantage for significant amount of time.

    Edit to add: I just saw Parchment was VAR. Wow. To get him to do an intervention is saying something.
     
  25. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was always under the impression that Parchment just took VAR assignments to be able to watch the game on bigger TVs.

    (I’m kidding, but not all that much.)
     
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