2024 Concacaf Champions Cup

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  1. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would they be invited when they play in the Central American Cup? This is an odd response. For everyone who wants to champion Leagues Cup now that it is sanctioned by CONCACAF and has three spots into CCC but refuse go acknowledge the other two new Cup competitions by region makes me scratch my head a little.
     
  2. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Already having three big teams in a country is possibly 95% of most leagues in the world. Where is the grow the game crowd? CONCACAF doesn't start at the Southern Mexico border and end in three Canadian cities last I checked. Is there another D1 league not allowed in the other two regional Cups?
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The subject is, CPL getting invited to Leagues Cup.
     
  4. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think the CPL should be included, but that has nothing to do with the viability of it as a first division league. They probably need a few owners willing to lose money to keep it afloat for a while like Anschutz and Hunt did here.
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think CPL should be invited to Leagues Cup?
     
  6. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Leagues Cup should die in a fire, but if it sticks around then why not?
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because it seems to undermine the principle behind the Leagues Cup. Bringing the biggest clubs in North America together to make as much money as possible.
     
  8. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But the Leagues Cup is supposedly 1 of 3 cup competitions to determine participants in the Concacaf Cup and Canada is the only country whose first division isn't included in any of them.
     
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    True but to make up for not being in any of the three regional cups, CPL gets direct entries into the CCC. No one in CFU or UNCAF gets that
     
  10. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And given the choice, I'm willing to bet every Canadian team would choose that over being in the Leagues Cup where they have to defeat the best of MLS/Liga MX to get a spot in the CCC.
     
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  11. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    There is direct entry for Liga MX and MLS teams outside the Leagues Cup. 6 Liga MX and 5 MLS teams make it in addition to 3 Leagues Cup teams. The CPL gets shortchanged of another opportunity by not being in the Leagues Cup.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do Canadian teams get places in the CCC through MLS now?
     
  13. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They never used to, but that changed last year, I think. If any of the 3 were to win MLS Cup or the Supporter's Shield, they qualify. A team could also qualify if it were to win their conference without winning the Supporter's Shield. That's how St. Louis qualified for this year's CCC.
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2024 CCC teams

    9 USA
    6 Mexico
    3 Canada
    3 Costa Rica
    1 Suriname
    1 Jamaica
    1 Dominican Republic
    1 Nicaragua
    1 Panama
    1 Guatemala
     
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  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo

    The Canadian MLS teams now qualify via MLS results as well as the Canadian Championship.
    They would not have to win MLS Cup, Supporter's Shield, or Opposite Conference best. They go on the Shield list just like US-based teams. Orlando (2) and New England (6) got in this year by finishing next best on the overall Shield table. Those are designated CCC spots.

    New England got in because Columbus (3) got in via winning the MLS Cup, Philadelphia (4) got in via Leagues Cup, and St. Louis (5) was highest in the West.

    Toronto and Montreal could have qualified by finishing in any of those spots in MLS. Vancouver got in via the Canadian Championship.
     
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  16. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #791 wantmlsphilly, Feb 26, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2024
    I agree with this and why I believe this won't happen until CPL gets past will the league fold or prosper. Also the spots aren't guaranteed for any league, that's just the initial setup. Eventually if turns into rank in CONCACAF and seating will be adjusted.
    https://www.concacaf.com/news/concacaf-launches-new-ranking-system-for-region-s-clubs-and-leagues/
     
  17. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there's a huge gap between Toronto and Cavalry but in those rankings it's 3 places.

    I wonder where USLC teams would sit.
     
  19. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Much lower because you get points for intentional games.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In terms of actual quality of the teams I mean, as opposed to the rankings based on recent performances in continental competition.
     
  21. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think people really understand the direction CONCACAF is trying to go. The idea is to improve the region and the competition. Hence Nations league and expanded club competition for the region. More regional club cup competition/CCC/CWC is the path they've embraced. They even talked of something with CONMEBOL but that might be dead now. The better regional competition is the better your seating in the CWC. Granted they are behind South America and Europe but after that who knows the third ranked Federation? So player development and revenue are the goals and hopefully better result for CONCACAF.
     
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  22. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As opposed to games that you just play by accident? :p
     
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  23. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quick reminder that Concacaf asked MLS for their preference when they reformed the CCL as a half-season tournament; MLS responded that they'd rather play it in spring.

    Of course, the heavy US representation is partly thanks to our Leagues Cup podium sweep last year... but essentially, we're trending the same way as Conmebol: spamming continental berths for the more profitable leagues, in exchange for everyone getting slices of a bigger pie.

    Among other things, yeah. Don Garber let us know what time it is when he specified that there are no plans to play Leagues Cup matches in Mexico any time soon.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A game has started.
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's funny how people want MLS teams to pay bigger salaries but don't want the league to gain more revenue.

    I think Garber said definitely no Leagues Cup in Mexico this season and no current plans to play in Mexico.

    If Liga MX wants games in Mexico they'll get games in Mexico.
     
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