2024/28 Kaishu Sano @ Mainz (GER)

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  1. BIHfan

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    Japanese prisons are a notorious nightmare.
     
  2. seolseol

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    Apr 26, 2003
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    Didnt know. Not like here , its a vacation.
     
  3. Radu Razvan

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    Here were¿

    Planned for what?
     
  4. Radu Razvan

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    Mar 1, 2013
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    If he did it, doesn't make sense to lie really

    I don't condemn him as a human animal because it's the attraction, but if a woman doesnt want you, doesn't make sense to force her. Your objective is to have her long term, not only once and that by force. I'm surprised by this behaviour from a sports player, they are mentally strong, they know how to accept to lose, makes part of the game. It seems that girl was like a balloon dor for him
     
  5. BIHfan

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    Ballon d'or ^^
     
  6. Dax

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    Feb 29, 2012
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    guys, let's be honest i'm gonna close this thread. i'll update if there is some serious news.
     
  7. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    Dont know where to post it cause Sanos thread got closed but Kaishu Sano got released today from jail. Dont know what that mean but more infos are not there for now.
     
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  8. seolseol

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    Apr 26, 2003
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    Anymore news about the case?
     
  9. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    No only the pure comment, from 2 japanese media broadcasts that Sano is released. Nothing more. Could maybe only mean, at least for now he is inoccent or not enough hints. Dont know.

    Edit: German media also said he is free. Mainz 05 also confirmed that.

    Sano himself said, he is sorry if someone is angry/sad about his actions and that he will do all to rebuild the trust, people has loosing in him. Especially his fans and his club. And that he is overall sorry.

    Dont know what that means.
     
  10. datschge

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    Feb 9, 2014
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    Dan Orlowitz wrote this on Xitter:


    I'd say nothing changed.
     
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  11. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    Looks like Sano will travel ahead to the training camp of Mainz 05 to be part of the squad. So lets open his thread again.
     
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  12. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    Mainz confirmed that it looks like there was nothing against Sano. A japanologe and lawyer said that all what was standing against Sano. His confession and so on are more or less translate errors in english or german out of the japanese.

    Mainz said he is on his way to Germany and that it looks like the scenario is done.

    Open the thread please :).
     
  13. seolseol

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    So all made up by the innocent women once again?
     
  14. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    #39 NaohiroTakahara, Jul 30, 2024
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    Dont know. Maybe? Maybe not? Who knows. We will never know for sure. But in such a case they can be so much possibilities.

    But media said, that Sano never said anything against him or his 2 friends. And looks like, they are no proofs.

    After sources the case is official closed.
     
  15. Dax

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    Feb 29, 2012
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    Translation: Sano reached an economical deal with the victim, which dropped charges.
     
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  16. NaohiroTakahara

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    #41 NaohiroTakahara, Jul 31, 2024
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    No thats not right ^^. The translation didnt say a single word about a deal in that article. I am German and thats german. I know it :).And after the overall sources and the investigations, its declined that they was any kind deal. But who knows for sure. But they informations about a deal are a missinformation it seems.

    Mainz 05 official also said till now there was no deal.

    Official is, that they are to less/weak hints and the police/gouverment/investigators said it was to questionable from the "victim"

    For sure we will never know.
     
  17. Dax

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    I mean, let's be serious.
    If there was a deal between the parties as an out of court settlement, of course it's not made public (infact it's in the interest of the party who pays to not make it public). And imagine the scandal if Mainz also published something like that. The fact is obvious.

    Also, Sano's statement is here https://web.gekisaka.jp/news/world/detail/?412216-412216-fl and I can read it by myself.

    And yes, I know you are referring to this article
    https://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/s...eutet-kaishu-sanos-statement-wirklich-3838895

    Unfortunately I can't read it.

    Either way: I can't care less tbh. If they reached an agreement, it means the women is satisfied with this type of justice. And the player certainly is free to move on with his career, hopefully learned a lesson.
     
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  18. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    #43 NaohiroTakahara, Jul 31, 2024
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    No you got me wrong, I mean the english Article ( which is in german original) you post from Mainz 05. There was no single word from a deal with the victim, like you said :). That was my first point.

    Can you read japanese without translation? The Problem is in english or german for example Sano said he apologies for the victim and that he is sorry what he did to her. That sounds that he did it, but the problem is that a german language scientist/japanologue and lawyer said that all media in terms if translation did this wrong.

    Yes Dax ! Thats the Article I mean.

    https://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/s...eutet-kaishu-sanos-statement-wirklich-3838895

    It says:

    He said its very difficuilt to translate this special phrase of statement cause Sanso did not say sorry to the "victim" at all, in terms of guilty.

    He said sorry to the "women" that through the media and the police, interrogation she has stress and lose time etc. Independent from Sano himself. The german lawyer also said, that through the japanese social rules, the people expected a apology from Sano cause no matter if he is guilty or innocent, he caused trouble to japanese people and he has to say sorry only of the fact he bring dark light on japanese footballer.

    Yes maybe a deal will be silent and nobody knows but that automaticly means we don't know if there is a deal or not and that means in first place there is no deal cause the facts are saying nothing else.

    I would say its as likely that he did it, do a deal and done or the women only want money, have normal agreed sex with Sano and friends and after she has the plan to bite some money out of him and caused trouble.

    How should we know that? Impossible, only way is to read the facts and the facts are saying he is innocent for now and the case was closed out of no real hints. And thats it.
     
  19. poyotaryo

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    Yeah that's right, in Japan, either you are guilty or not, you apologize.

    But dropped charges in two weeks? It's usually unseen. Of course they closed a deal, there's no other way around.
     
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  20. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    #45 NaohiroTakahara, Aug 1, 2024
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    Please dont say of course they closed a deal, its impossible to know. Its as likely that there is a deal, as its likely the women was only a gold digger.

    Is it impossible that investigations are going into nowwhere? That a normal progress. Investigations are ending in a verdict, guilty or innocent. And they say innocent cause they are no plausible hints. That was the official statement.

    Why is that not as possible as a deal?

    Sure maybe there is a deal but the official investigations are not touched by that. And when the japanese gouverment said the criminal complaint is closed cause of no plausible proofs, then maybe its only that? They wouldnt stop investigations when they are any hints or proofs.

    By the way who is talking about dropping any charges?
     
  21. poyotaryo

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    I'm also very attached to the principle of presumption of innocence, and it's highly important not to judge too quickly.

    But talking about a quick judgement, two weeks to conduct an investigation and drop charges is only to be seen on TV shows, especially regarding the significant level of public interest.

    And this can only be explained by an agreement.

    I'm sure that Mainz also demanded guarantees before welcoming him.
     
  22. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    #47 NaohiroTakahara, Aug 1, 2024
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    Again please dont say anything you cant know like its crystal clear. Its Impossible to know if there is an agreement or not. And again the investigations are independent of this. When the gouverment said the investigations are stopping cause of no plausible proofs, why cant it be possible for example, that she is a golddigger and things turned out quickly in that direction after the 2 weeks? Why is that not as likely as a deal?

    And there was no real "judgement" in terms of court.

    In Itos case for example after a few days even the enemy lawyer of the women quit the case, cause it was fast to questionable what she was saying.
     
  23. Dax

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    The prosecutor has never said that the investigation has stopped because of no plausible proofs, though...
    No justice system can move that fast, there is no other explanation than charges being dropped by the party
     
  24. NaohiroTakahara

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    Nov 12, 2013
    After some sources the prosecutor did, that was the only official thing they said. To weak proofs. But who knows of course if the sources a true, yeah.

    Of course a justice system can move that fast for example when the women possible said totaly crap which doesnt fit together.
     
  25. seolseol

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    Wonder who next japanese player will be a target for this type of things.
     

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