2024-25 Hot Seat

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  1. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    That’s a very significant improvement
     
  2. Red Stars

    Red Stars Member

    PSG
    Serbia
    May 19, 2022
    Sorry, improvement? They went 0-9-1 in the ACC last year. Syracuse currently 0-8-1, so they will match their record last year when they lose at BC this week. They have gone 2-40-5 in the ACC under the current staff. By going winless two years in a row they are getting worse. A 118 RPI still means they are nowhere near to getting an at large. Please tell me if you see a P4 program with a worse conference record over five years than that. It’s historically awful. But I wouldn’t place all the blame on the staff. I just think that’s a place that will never win.
    Consider this. They have only won TWO games in five years once they get past mid September. So the last 6-7 weeks the kids know they’ll be slaughtered. Probably pretty hard to keep those kids motivated and out of the bars during October as the losses pile up.
     
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  3. RusskyHoya

    RusskyHoya Member

    DC United
    United States
    Dec 15, 2019
    What structural barriers to success do you see there that don't apply to the men's team?
     
  4. messi91011

    messi91011 Member

    Nov 21, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The largest “barrier” that exists are a supply and demand variation.

    Men’s Soccer:
    212 NCAA Division 1 teams
    31 Power 4 programs (including programs like Kentucky, who play in non-p4 conference for soccer)

    Women’s Soccer
    353 NCAA Division 1 teams
    69 Power 4 programs

    FIFA estimates put the numbers of male youth players at 120 million, and female youth players at 7 million.

    So - there are a lot less female recruits for many more programs. It is quantitatively more difficult for women’s programs to sign the top players.
     
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  5. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    This is a great post thank you for the information makes a lot of sense.
     
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  6. RusskyHoya

    RusskyHoya Member

    DC United
    United States
    Dec 15, 2019
    Yes, but all women's programs are subject to this dynamic. My question is why Syracuse specifically should be a place where you can't win in women's, even as the men's team wins a national title. One would think that, as a Power 4 program with a significant presence across the college athletic landscape, they would be one of the institutions best situated to excel, or at least be competitive.

    To use another comparison: Maryland women have fallen on hard times since Brian Pensky left, but I don't think anyone would say that it's just not a place where you can win - and Sasho's success is one of the primary pieces of evidence that it's a place set up for success.
     
  7. messi91011

    messi91011 Member

    Nov 21, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I’m certainly not claiming that Maryland or Syracuse can’t be or shouldn’t be competitive. There’s a lot of factors that go into that, but what is non-debatable is this:

    If every power-4 program (both men’s and women’s, respectively) is trying to attract the top 50 recruits every year, that means 69 programs are trying to to recruit the top 50 recruits on the women’s side whereas 31 programs are trying to attract those top 50 recruits on the men’s side.

    Can it be done effectively on the women’s side, absolutely! I’m just pointing out that there is a LOT more competition for those same top recruits on the women’s side.
     
  8. LimestoneKid

    LimestoneKid Member

    Edmonton Drillers
    Canada
    Dec 22, 2022
    Anyone else old enough to remember last year's Hot Seat list that included NDSU and Montana?

    Well, I hope no one's disappointed that both teams finished 1st in their respective conferences. Now they just need to win their respective conference tournaments. I think Montana has a better chance of progressing from the Big Sky tournament than NDSU has in the Summit League. (Speaking of the Summit League, I'm pretty sure that there's going to be a change at St. Thomas.)
     
  9. WSOCFan

    WSOCFan Member

    Arsenal
    Brazil
    Feb 26, 2023
    I remember doubting NDSU on here last year. Good for them to have such an amazing season.

    Montana should win the conference tournament.

    NDSU has to get through SDSU or Denver again. Not going to be easy.

    What’s the inside info on st. Thomas?
     
  10. LimestoneKid

    LimestoneKid Member

    Edmonton Drillers
    Canada
    Dec 22, 2022
    No inside information, just my spidey sense.

    It's been a tough transition to DI for the Tommies. Since making the move from D3 to DI they're overall record is 18-36-12 (6-23-5):

    2021 - 4-12-1 (2-7)
    2022 - 6-8-3 (2-6-1)
    2023 - 3-7-5 (1-5-2)
    2024 - 5-9-3 (1-5-2)

    Given the success that the program consistently had at D3, I'm sure that the expectations we're a little higher for the coach and the program.
     
  11. luvthegame

    luvthegame Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    Are there any stats out there that can show another div 3 program transitioning to div 1 in women’s soccer to compare. I would think it is not easy making that jump. It would take time. Shoot there have been good div 2 programs that went div 1 that struggle even today years later.
     
  12. SAS_Soccer

    SAS_Soccer Member

    Everton FC
    United States
    Nov 17, 2021
    Kansas State finally open.
     
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  13. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OPEN:
    Oregon State (interim)
    UC Riverside (interim)
    Loyola Chicago (interim)
    Cal Poly (retirement 6/9)
    North Carolina (interim; retirement 8/9)
    Mississippi Valley State (8/25)
    Niagara (8/27)
    Maryland (10/10)
    Kansas State (10/28)


    FILLED:

    Duke - Kieran Hall (Duke associate head; filled after Fall 2024 season retirement)
    San Francisco - Pinder Nijjar (interim; 9/17)
     
  14. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    Well now that Kansas State is officially open. Who do you think are some of the top candidates for that job?
     
  15. CASLKING

    CASLKING Member

    Houston dash
    United States
    May 20, 2018
    Kansas State needs to hire one of these coaches that have produced results in difficult places and / or have taken bottom dwellers to new heights.

    The name that comes to mind now is Sharif Shaber from USC Upstate, certainly has to be a hot commodity this hiring cycle. He made Upstate a champion which everyone thought would be impossible.
     
  16. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    If I was Kansas State AD and I wanted to be serious in women's soccer I would go get Ryan Higginbotham from TCU. He's the associate head coach there and been in the Big 12 for a long time. Basically runs the show at TCU anyway so would have no problem stepping into the head coaches role. Built TCU up into a power player.

    Probably breaks up TCU as well. Kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
     
  17. LimestoneKid

    LimestoneKid Member

    Edmonton Drillers
    Canada
    Dec 22, 2022
    Fair comment but I was also taking into account the relative success that some of the other programs have had on their transition.
     
  18. Underminer

    Underminer Member

    Spurs
    England
    Dec 29, 2022
    They can’t afford Higgy, let’s be honest.
     
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  19. Underminer

    Underminer Member

    Spurs
    England
    Dec 29, 2022
    100%. absolutely. One of the best mid-major coaches in the game. Signed an extension through 2027 so I wonder what his buyout is? Quick Look at his roster and he has almost everyone coming back next year but if they win the conference tournament, it would be a no brainer to go to greener pastures.
     
  20. ImYouthSoccer

    ImYouthSoccer Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Dec 12, 2023
  21. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. ImYouthSoccer

    ImYouthSoccer Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Dec 12, 2023
    In that article posted above "“I’m proud of the girls that they never looked back,” interim head coach Dave Gray stated" but you are correct as might not be open as no official response from the program but several people have told us it is.
     
  23. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dave Gray has been interim through a good chunk of the season. So, something has taken place. Temporary or permanent, we do not know yet. Something will come up on it.
     
  24. Sports Addict

    Sports Addict Member

    Liverpool
    Canada
    May 19, 2023
    We’ve been talking about K-State today, what’s the fate of Iowa state and Houston?
     
  25. From the Spot

    From the Spot New Member

    QPR
    England
    Oct 26, 2022
    Any update on what's happening at Boston University?
     

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