Which way are you laughing? I loathe City but I think Palace got extremely lucky. It's only Henderson's slap on the ball that takes it really wide. Haaland can left foot touch over to his right easily if the ball isn't slapped.
I'm going to assume he is laughing at the fact a Premier League VAR just ignored such a clear and nailed on DOGSO and bent over backwards to come up with a reason to not ruin the FA Cup final. Might be one of the most baffling non-red card interventions I can remember.
New speed record for a Dale Johnson article saying VAR was wrong? https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...-dean-henderson-erling-haaland-red-card-dogso
If you made a scale to describe how "bad" a VAR decision is, I would use the combo of how obvious the decision was and how impactful the moment and game was. Clearly a big VAR miss in the World Cup final is different than the same miss in MD10 of the PL between Spurs and Forest. I'd put the level of the missed call at a 10/10 and the importance at a 8.5/10. If Palace wins, it could be up there as the "worst" VAR decision in history.
there is a LOT of (IMO justified) criticism of VAR on this board but if you went back 15 years and went before IFAB with the most compelling reasons for VAR I think this situation (decision, time, match, everything) is number 1 or 2 on the list.
As much as I'm pulling for Palace in the classic "FA Cup underdog story . . ." Yeah, went back on the ESPN+ replay. Even at live speed, really hard to defend that decision.
Oh man. I've got to admit that I've been out and was only catching up through this thread. I assumed that this was called a foul, sanctioned as a yellow, and Gillett cleared it. So... They missed it entirely! Wow. I've now watched. First, the AR is 5 yards out of position. Sure, it's hard to keep pace with players at this level but he's got to be closer. So he's not in position to catch the handling. That's bad. The AR missing this is the first problem; if he calls the foul Atwell has a 50/50 chance of getting this right live. But then for Gillett to clear that because he doesn't have DOGSO is nuts. It's so England in two regards. First, he's wrong. Second, even if he's not wrong, being "right" means letting a blatant handball on a breakaway go unpunished on the technicality of "this might be a red card but it's not clearly a red card." This is one of those situations where you have to send Attwell to the monitor and let him decide. Put it on the referee team that missed this in the first place. If Attwell wants to come away with a yellow card there, fine, he can knock himself out. But allowing this to end up with nothing is insane. And again, Gillett is wrong. I'm not suggesting he find a workaround to allow for a possible compromise outcome because that's the best path. I'm just saying that if he has to insist on his own wrongness, there was at least an insurance policy to get a half-measure. Getting nothing out of this is moronic. You're going to see that still image above forever associated with Palace's cup win now. Remember when people said VAR would take officiating out of the limelight?
Pep's post match interview should be interesting considering he confronted the GK after the whistle. Mr. Gillet will have his name in a lot of articles this week.
Acknowledging my Arsenal bias and noting that I've been castigated in this forum previously (not by you in this specific regard) for being frustrated about the lack of consistency, I will nevertheless brave the slings and arrows and mention that Gillett was the VAR official who recommended Rob Jones review his on-field yellow on William Saliba and change it to DOGSO red. I suppose it was just the difference between a late Saturday afternoon in October in Bournemouth versus the FA Cup Final.
Let's not sleep on yesterday. This went uncalled and check completed: https://www.streambug.io/cv/8509ac
Didn't watch this match. What was the "official" explanation? In the CL, they're absolutely reviewing that and calling a pen.
Everyone in England is just clueless all around. They just don't get it and never will. Probably the most important phrase in the LOTG and in instructions is "what football expects." Time and time again they always zag when everyone is expecting you to zig. I genuinely believe that Gillet got into the Premier League because of that stupid A-League mic'd video he was. You can't tell me that Gillet is good enough to be in the Premier League but Alex Chilowicz isn't.
Apparently Pep confronted Henderson over his time-wasting and Henderson replied you had your ten minutes of added time.
I think a lot of the issues with the Select Group stem from the early retirements of Webb and Clatts, then the aging out of several good to decent referees over the last 8-10 seasons, and then a complete screw up in identifying and promoting younger officials. In the last dozen years who has stepped up besides Taylor and Oliver? And, Taylor is on the back nine at 46. Roger East became a Select 1 ref at 48! Jon Moss had to hang on in his late 40’s. Then, overall leadership of the PGMOL was dreadful, and even Webb has fallen in everyone’s pecking order. Couple all of that with the poorly executed VAR routines and you have some pretty awful officiating for “the best league in the world.”
I don’t think it has anything to do with early retirements or referees again out. And the issues identifying and promoting referees are not isolated mistakes. Unfortunately I think the issue is systemic. English refereeing culture is old-fashioned and values a very specific type of referee as “good”, yet this vision is too outdated for the modern professional game. The English system, more so than in other countries, promotes referees who stay in the background as much as possible, and it holds back referees who do crazy things like “using their cards”, or “having a commanding presence.” Referees like François Letexier or Nestor Pitana, for example, could never be created in England, because they would be forced to change their approach several steps down the pyramid if they ever wanted to advance. Until the culture changes, they’re going to continue to have big-picture problems.
I see your point, but I do think if your two top guys doing the most Premier League matches has stayed the same for a few years now, you have a problem that can only get worse when Taylor leaves (next year?). But, if you look back about 15-20 years ago, there were some “character” referees in Select 1. Then, outside of 2-3 guys, the last group has been awful.
Exactly. It's not like Webb or Clatts or their predecessors (i.e. Poll) were great at the things that are required now of the modern referee (i.e. being great at KMIs). To be fair, Clatts really didn't stick around long enough at the international level to really prove or disprove that theory. Remember, he really was coming unto his peak around 2015-2017 before he decided to get the money in the middle east. Webb, however, was a pretty mediocre KMI referee. Webb was amazing at games that didn't require him to make a big decision and make it about him. I still think one of the best officiated and most challenging matches I ever saw at the international level was Brazil vs. Chile in the 2014 World Cup. Webb was awesome and he nailed that game. Any other referee and that game could have been disaster. We saw like 7 days later when Velasco Carballo did the same match basically in Brazil vs. Colombia and it turned into a farce. As soon as Webb had to be the bad guy so to speak, he dropped the ball. Taylor and Oliver are no different. Great at managing the game when things are going smoothly, but as soon as you have to wrestle control of the game through disciplinary measures they have no second gear or plan B. The irony of all this is Webb says that if VAR was around in the 2010 World Cup Final he would have sent De Jong off. With everything we've seen over the years, how confident are we that an English VAR would have sent that down? I'm not.
This is not a joke post-Thomas Bramall got two on-field sendoffs right in City-Bournemouth. Sent off Kovacic for a DOGSO, then about 10 minutes later sent off Bournemouth’s Cook for a SFP challenge. Both very good calls, both confirmed by VAR. How long until he gets that beaten out of him at the Premier League level??