2024-25 England Referee Thread [EPL/EFL/Cups+][Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jul 25, 2024.

  1. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    One of the best things I’ve seen a ref do is still Oliver giving martinelli two yellow cards in one passage of play
     
  2. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    TOT-CHE, Jon Champion said it well, Taylor keeping a light hand on the tiller.
     
  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watching the DVR right now. So if Champion is saying that, the translation is “He’s letting them beat the stuffing out of each other.”
     
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  4. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    In his inimitable idiom, with irony and disapprobation in equal measure.
     
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  5. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had to Google the definition for disapprobation. That’s a fantastic word to describe Champion’s assessment after I heard him say that on the broadcast.

    Also, I have no idea how Caicedo stayed on the field for an awful mid-shin challenge about 33 minutes or so. Absolute potential for a leg-breaker, and yet no official thought much of it. I had very high levels of disapprobation watching that go without any sort of misconduct.
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just watched. I love the fact that the Chelsea players were appealing for the foul to go the other way. I would also add that there were no Spurs' appeal for intervention, so it wasn't just the officials who didn't think much of it.

    I think it's just this side of a VAR red. It's high and bad mode of contact and late. But the contact is partially due to how the opponent goes to ground and the force isn't brutal. I'd be fine with red. I prefer red. But I am accepting of no VAR intervention, given the standards. Not having any card in real-time, though, is a miss.
     
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  7. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    I watched that live! I was nearly in stitches. Glad England had the gumption to do that. AR prolly should have been more involved.
     
  8. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
     
  9. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    How shitty is Elmo's platform that you can't paste X-crement into other platforms
     
  10. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get not a valid tweet ID all the time, but refreshing the page seems to help.
    Used to work so much smoother.
     
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  11. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I guess the question is what did him in?

    Was there one specific incident/allegation that made his position untenable or was it a combination of all of the above? Like if the Klopp video didn't come out, he might be safe? Or if the cocaine video didn't come out, he might be safe?

    My guess is the cocaine video.
     
  12. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    I think especially for this board it's fair to say we had position and involvement, and when we draw the (white) lines it's a clear offense.

    Personally, I think the Klopp video alone would have tanked him eventually. The cocaine video just took a short-cut to the behavioral inquiry that the Klopp video might have triggered (I mean he looked...bad).
     
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  13. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Thoughts on the DOGSO red awarded to Andy Robertson in Liverpool-Fulham?
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm kind of torn on this one. If it was a better effort from the 2nd Fulham player then it's an easy advantage + yellow card. Also was it really DOGSO with how heavy the touch was?
     
  15. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    38th min and we have a major penalty shout Forest vs. Villa, clearly it was a grab of the arm within the penalty area...how that cleared VAR is beyond me...smh
     
  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I don't understand what we're doing anymore. It's a nailed on holding foul + SPA.
     
  17. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    seriously, it was not just a slight tug (fleeting) which we might be able to excuse...it was a very clear arm grab that started outside the area and continued into the penalty area.
     
  18. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It was just a fleeting arm grab covering 3+ strides. Nothing to see here.
     
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  19. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It wasn’t just a hold. The defender clearly pulled him back. Yes it started outside the area but it clearly continued into the area.
     
  20. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #620 msilverstein47, Dec 14, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2024
    Villa lost by a goal and the second Forest goal...Villa player was fouled in the lead up, but not a clear and obvious error by the referee...this game is so unfair sometimes.
     
  21. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So VAR refuses to get involved with the worlds most obvious hold into the penalty area and then later disallows a goal on an offside line by a millimeter.

    You keep being you England.
     
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  22. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    looking at it again...looks more like SEVEN strides
     
  23. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    And then you had the first Forest equalizer (which was a beautiful goal) ruled out for the tiniest of offsides (the line appeared to be somewhere on the attacker's upper forearm)....nobody wants goals like that ruled out.....that's not what the offsides law was created to prevent.
     
  24. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    https://streamff.com/v/0a797804
    I see no issue with red card.

    At the same time though, before that pull, you have the attacker pulling at the defender's collar and yanking down. If this is a penalty and goes to VAR, I wonder if they call it an attacking foul going out. And that's why the VAR didn't bother calling it down?
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  25. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    if we are going to have VAR and lines do OS, there will always be some goals ruled off by the tiniest margins—it doesn’t matter where the lines go, there will always be something that is just barely off. And we’ve always had goals called off for barely OS (or not even OS!) when we have ARs making the call. MLS takes away the VAR making a toenail OS decision by not using the lines—but the trade off is that a player barely onside won’t get the benefit of having a goal awarded if the AR makes a mistake.
     

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