2024-25 England Referee Thread [EPL/EFL/Cups+][Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jul 25, 2024.

  1. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Always once more, apparently
     
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  2. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was almost ready to write almost the exact thing you wrote earlier in the day. Not a great day for AR1, who I believe was Beswick of the Beswick/Nunn duo that usually works with Oliver.
     
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  3. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    May have been a sound/sync thing. The replay shown later, from well above the field, showed Oliver raising the whistle to his mouth (and tweeted) before the free kick was taken.
     
  4. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also interesting that Caicedo seemed to have the Joelinton invisibility cloak for avoiding yellows. Other players---for both clubs---were booked much more quickly for less egregious fouls.
     
  5. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just watched this play on the replay of the LIV-AVL game. It's absolutely mind-blowing that David Coote did not have a "DOGSO" foul on Salah (yes, I know the advantage ended up negating the DOGSO, but I'll still use the term in quotes since Salah had an OGSO) leading up to the Nunez goal). It's a clear pull back on Salah's shoulder.

    If Coote gives the advantage and the caution - even if Nunez doesn't score on his shot - we are all on here talking about what a magnificent piece of refereeing that is instead of (correctly) saying that Coote got REALLY lucky Nunez scored.
     
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  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Warning: strong language
    1855968991119872392 is not a valid tweet id


    Is this bad? It seems bad.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You may never get to remember again, @code1390
     
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  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suppose the immediate question would be "is it real?," but it doesn't look faked at a glance.
     
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  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    To be fair, not one lie was told about Klopp. Straight up ass-hole.

    But yeah, you can't be on video saying that. What a great friend he has had. Says, we can't have the video released and yet releases it anyways.
     
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  10. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t disagree with a word you say here. All of it is true.

    The sad and unfortunate reality is that anyone in a public position has to assume anything said or done could eventually be completely public one day. When I worked in the public school system, I assumed any email I sent would eventually be on the front page of the local paper or on a local newscast. Even though I’m back in the private sector now, I still assume that.

    It’s why I never post on social media and rarely even look at it anymore.
     
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  11. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This site is considered social media.....
     
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1855996134021313021 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  13. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    I've always thought Coote looked like he'd rather be anywhere else than on the field.

    Petition granted.
     
  14. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but this site would never come up on any sort of reasonable public search. I’m talking about the usual mainstream sites. Plus, I don’t think someone discussing a controversial referee call under a pseudonym will bring up a major firestorm.
     
  15. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This week’s edition of “Dale’s word salad” is now available.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...ailey-red-card-mohamed-salah-wolves-get-lucky

    Dale must have been on a word count for the Salah incident. Here’s a more concise version.

    “Because Nunez had a better obvious goal scoring opportunity, even if Coote had recognized the foul and played advantage he should not have sent Bailey off for DOGSO. A caution would have been the appropriate misconduct sanction.”
     
  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Does he survive and come back from this?

    We saw an AR elbow a Liverpool player and made it out.

    Clattenburg had multiple on-field and off-field incidents and made it back.

    Problem is Coote isn't as good as any of those guys.
     
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  17. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    The “elbow” thing was never a big deal IMO. The AR reflexively flinched when someone approached him from behind him and contacted him. Not sure how you assign much/any moral blame on him for that, tbh.

    Quite a different story here…
     
  18. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Maybe not for you, but it was pretty big controversy back when it happened and many were speculating he would be done for the season and maybe forever.

    I think he was temporarily suspended pending investigation.

    It only looks minor in hindsight now that it's passed.
     
  19. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I mean if you are going to commit career suicide, I guess you may as well make sure about the job. And he certainly did that.
     
  20. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Is he vulnerable to legal sanction for this? I know (believe) UK law and US law differ on slander/libel, but I'm not sure quite how.
     
  21. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Corey Rockwell should discuss controversial calls here under his pseudonym, no one would ever detect anything
     
  22. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    The Coote video looks AI-generated to me, and I really hope that’s the case. Hoping the investigation is quick.
     
  23. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    1856005055016575347 is not a valid tweet id


    Promising news.
     
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  24. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm interested in what you're seeing that makes you think it could be a fake. I'm not sure what to look for here.
     
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  25. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of us may remember that way back in the earlier days of Twitter, one Alex Prus (then still an active MLS referee) posted regularly. Then one day he had a Sounders/Chivas USA game where he was advised by Ricardo Salazar to send off a player from each for VC in front of the benches. A while later, Prus said something on Twitter along the lines that he wouldn't have sent them off if he has seen the incident himself. His social media activity dropped off after that, at least under his own name.
     

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