2024-25 England Referee Thread [EPL/EFL/Cups+][Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jul 25, 2024.

  1. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Member+

    May 25, 2006
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would point out the turn of phrase "just about" has a different meaning in UK English vernacular. Dale is saying that it's correct, but barely.
    I don't agree, of course, but that's what he's saying.
     
  3. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Let's table this discussion
     
  4. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    This is going to go well... I wish him well and hopes he makes it, but officiating at any competitive level isn't just about "understanding the game."

    There is a lot more to it than that.

    Also, the referee community, at large, is very insular and protective of the "dues" we have to pay. Look at the reaction the community at large has for the replacement referees for "skipping the line" in this country.

    How are all those Championship referees who climbed the complex pyramid that is English Football going to feel when some ex-pro starts doing Championship and League matches without going through the grind?
     
  5. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    We had heard this was coming about- maybe they’ll make a documentary about it like they did with charles barkley’s golf swing.

    I don’t worry about his acceptance- if he has the chops, he will earn respect. I just think that doing such a thing in 2-3 years is laughably overoptimistic. If one buys into the concept of 10000 hours being necessary to be expert at something, how can he possibly get even 2000 hours of training in two years without devoting his entire life to it?
     
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  6. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    The tenor of the article is that he agrees with us, that this looks Red. But...

    Quote:
    With the Premier League's high bar, it's often too easy to support an on-field call of a yellow card ...
    Verdict: Just about the correct call for no VAR intervention, taking into account the process in the Premier League.
     
  7. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Anyone watching cp ful? Min 25 well timed tackle by cp defender on smith-Rowe in the PA: gets a lot of ball but tackle is over the ball and catches smith-rowe in the shin. No review, and really no complaint from Fulham.

    Physical level of the PL (and being in the area) not withstanding, i often call these as fouls as the nature of a lunge where the foot is over the ball is reckless. Am I off base here?
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saw it. Always given in Italy. Never given in England. It's a global game but no global rules.
     
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  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I was not convinced that was a PK and the view from the referee was excellent.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone see that no foul call at 49’ at Brighton?
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did Coote really have no foul (and DOGSO) on Salah before Nunez scored? At first it looks like a fantastic advantage but he does the over the top "no" wave. That would have been something had Nunez missed.
     
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  12. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Right I was thinking, well now it's scored he's going to come back with a caution.
     
  13. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Member+

    May 25, 2006
    I was just posting. I was going to post about what an excellent advantage call it was, but on replay, it looks like he wasn't calling anything.

    The adage holds true. Rather be lucky than good.
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I always forget how mediocre David Coote is.
     
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  15. Soccer Dad & Ref

    Oct 19, 2017
    San Diego
    Watching the replay finally this evening. Just saw that play, so ran here to see what others thought. Would love to see a better replay, cause I still don’t know if it’s a legit foul. Salah knows how to drop on contact, and then jumped up quickly while advantage was happening
     
  16. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    NFO NEW. Newcastle first goal (min 54) occurs off of a corner, where the forest gk gets a firm two handed push in the back once the ball is in the air. The gk recovers and ultimately is composed by the time the shot comes in but just seems a bit more than the standard bumping and blocking on the gk that has become so standard.
     
  17. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Well.....Forest's goal was scored off a incorrectly awarded corner kick (i.e. should have been a GK)....
     
  18. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    There was no advantage since a foul wasn't judged to have occurred. Just nothing.
     
  19. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I’ve long thought that CK/GK is the most likely candidate for being added to the VAR catalog or reviewable items given it’s potential significance, objective nature, and being unlikely to create meaningful delays.
     
  20. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CHE-ARS - I usually don't like to criticize ARs on onside/offside positions, but the waved off Arsenal goal really should be one that's flagged on field (particularly for an elite professional AR). The penalty area line is there as an additional reference point. Ultimately, they got to the right call, but it should have never required VAR to overturn.
     
  21. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    In all three Premier League games I’ve watched this weekend, there has been an incident where in a whistle to restart play, the kick was taken before the ref had finished (or even started!) blowing the whistle. Michael Oliver is very fortunate that it was offside, or it would have been a very delicate situation for him (and Tierney). Also should be reminded that Arsenal called Oliver’s bluff in the Man City game in the same way with what was a poor piece of match control by the leading PL ref.
     
  22. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I don't know if they audio is synchronized well, but I thought it was played before Oliver blew his whistle as well. If this wasn't offside, it could have been very interesting indeed.
     
  23. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    How much longer is Cucurella going to be allowed to hound the officials?
     
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  24. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    And then on a play in the 2nd half, the same AR kept his flag down until after Jackson put the ball in the net for Chelsea, even though he was several yards offside....way too passive....
     

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