2023-26 CONCACAF Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Sep 11, 2023.

  1. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I would really describe Barton as “wouldn’t get in the way of the spectacle.” That’s where he really bucks the trend of modern refereeing; at times he makes the refereeing a spectacle itself, not staying in the background. But he’s able to contribute (usually) positively to the match and to the sport in this way, for example with a strict disciplinary line that demands a high standard of behavior from the players.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lost track of this but semifinal assignments were Cornejo, Calderon, Escobar and Herrera.

    That does leave the likelihood that Barton or Martinez were tipped for the final. But now that it's an all-Mexican affair, it does open the door to Elfath or a different PRO official if these things are dynamic at all.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Champions Cup Final
    Toluca : Tigres - ELFATH (USA)

    We're in the bizarre CONCACAF world where this makes so much sense that I just never even considered it would happen. Elfath hadn't worked since the Round of 32. Assignments spread around. No Barton or Martinez in the semis. I just sort of assumed it would have been one of them and CONCACAF didn't plan for an MLS or Liga Mx to have the final even if they became eligible.

    Plus, Americans just don't historically get this match. It's only been a one-off recently, so fine. But even before then... Marrufo and Geiger had one leg each in the late 2010s. Before that... Brian Hall in the mid 2000s. In between, like 15 Mexicans have had the game.

    The region's top referee doing CONCACAF's top club match heading into a home World Cup is too obvious to have been true, but here we are. Hopefully it's a smooth launch into the World Cup.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Normal trio. Nation is the fourth. Chapman/Penso the VMO duo.
     
  5. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is such a great assignment because it really does set him up well. The number 1 concern w Elfath from FIFAs perspective has to be his recent form/health/consistency. If he rocks this game, then that can be put to rest. Some might argue that a game like this so close to the tournament is too dangerous... that might be true in some situations, but in this situation the benefits outweigh the risk. If he has a rough game, the concerns are validated. If he crushes this game, then the the concerns are gone, and he has to come into the tournament kind of continuing his reputation from four years ago.
     
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  6. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    2660 m above sea level!
     
  7. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Always happy to see Elfath doing well. It's clear he's the top ref in the confederation and I feel like he's the only MLS ref that the idiot fans aren't always whining and complaining about, even when he makes a huge mistake like the DOGSO in the MLS Cup that his AR helped him on.
     
  8. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Tuned into CCL final. About 13 mins in and already English announcers commenting on 7 fouls. The match has been cagey and lots of crowding already.

    Side note* may switch over to Spanish.
     
  9. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I haven't been watching this game very closely because it has been terribly boring, but 110' seems like a clear missed second yellow.

    Now possible penalty a minute later, anywhere but Concacaf that'd be a yellow card for reckless elbow to the face, but not enough for a penalty in Concacaf... he's been lenient today so I get it. But it does feel quintessentially 'Ramosian' which isn't really usual for Elfath. The whole first 20 minutes is worth a rewatch as well.
     
  10. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I will also say, Elfath's management skills have allowed him to referee in this manner without the game blowing up, so that must be commended. I just find the leniency fairly jarring, but maybe that's what FIFA will be looking for in a few weeks so, for choosing to referee the game in this manner, he's done well.
     
  11. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Now the last MLS match before the break makes sense for Elfath. He was on FCD v. Colorado at altitude and he's at altitude here in Toluca
     
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  12. Law6

    Law6 Member

    Nov 17, 2023
  13. Law6

    Law6 Member

    Nov 17, 2023
    #1038 Law6, Jun 10, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2026
    Brazil had 4 coaches and 4 players sent off against the USWNT. Last two players at FT.

     
  14. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    @soccerref69420 ^ your new fave Spanish referee
     
  15. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the Colorado Rapids hosted a friendly/scrimmage with FC Juarez tonight as both teams warm up for their season/season resumption. And, well, this happened:



    The good news is that Rapidman made a call and Navarro will not be suspended for next week's friendly against Minnesota :D
     

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