2023-26 CONCACAF Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Sep 11, 2023.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's also sort of just standard practice internationally, from FIFA downward. UEFA does this, too. I'm not sure of the other confederations, but I imagine there isn't much deviation.

    Look at the FIFA VMO lists. The US only has 3 VMOs who are also ARs (Atkins, Mayo, Nesbitt). Mexico has none. England has none. Germany has none. Etc., etc.

    If we've reached the point where international bodies are only assigning qualified international FIFA VMOs (and I think we have), then the list is mostly down to referees or former referees. The idea of a specialist AR for VMO duties exists only at the World Cups, I think--and even then, maybe not the youth ones (I genuinely can't recall)?
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really seems like a World Cup thing, mostly, yeah. PRO is very much an outlier, as they've always been really.
     
  3. TD23

    TD23 New Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 10, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, hi - long time reader, first time poster. ;)

    Thought I would help and share the CCC assignments for Round 1...


    CONCACAF Champions Cup
    Round 1, Leg 1


    Feb 3, 2026

    Forge FC VS Tigres
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Nick Uranga
    4th: Ekaterina Koroleva
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: Tatiana Guzmán

    Olimpia VS Club America
    REF: Ismail Elfath
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Kyle Atkins
    4th: Rosendo Mendoza
    VAR: Allen Chapman
    AVAR: Benjamin Whitty

    San Diego FC VS Pumas
    REF: Mario Escobar
    AR1: Luis Aroldo Ventura Chacón
    AR2: Humberto Noel Panjoj Chitay
    4th: Sergio Armando Reyna Moller
    VAR: Benjamin Pineda
    AVAR: Anthony Bravo


    Feb 4, 2026

    Xelaju VS Monterrey
    REF: Filip Dujic
    AR1: Gerard-Kader Lebuis
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4th: Victor Rivas
    VAR: Benjamin Whitty
    AVAR: Chris Penso

    Vancouver FC VS Cruz Azul
    REF: José Raúl Torres Rivera
    AR1: Pedro Figueroa Ocasio
    AR2: Jairo Morales García
    4th: Ricangel Emilio De Leça
    VAR: Tatiana Guzman
    AVAR: Allen Chapman
     
  4. TD23

    TD23 New Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 10, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CONCACAF Champions Cup
    Round 1, Leg 2

    Feb 10, 2026

    Pumas VS San Diego FC
    REF: Héctor Said Martínez Sorto
    AR1: Walter Enrique López Ramos
    AR2: Christian Jesús Ramírez Soto
    4th: José Waldir García Meléndez
    VAR: Tatiana Guzman
    AVAR: Jesus Alberto Montero

    Tigres VS Forge FC
    REF: Juan Gabriel Calderón Pérez
    AR1: Juan Carlos Mora Araya
    AR2: William Andrés Arrieta Barrantes
    4th: Josué David Ugalde Aguilar
    VAR: David Gomez Araya
    AVAR: JC Rivero

    Feb 11, 2026

    Club America VS Olimpia

    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Micheal Barwegen
    AR2: Lyes Arfa
    4th: Rubiel Vazquez
    VAR: JC Rivero
    AVAR: Jesus Montero Fuentes

    Monterrey VS Xelaju
    REF: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AR1: Stefan Tanaka-Freundt
    AR2: Chris Elliot
    4th: Rosendo Mendoza
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Tatiana Guzman

    Feb 12, 2026

    Cruz Azul VS Vancouver FC

    REF: Tori Penso
    AR1: ?
    AR2: ?
    4th: ?
    VAR: ?
    AVAR: ?



     
  5. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anyone know if we had any referees at the recent U17 CONCACAF Mens tournament?
     
  6. TD23

    TD23 New Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 10, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't see any in the assignment lists.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When the format of the tournament changed after 2023, I think the likelihood of a US referee ever going decreased to near zero. It's just not needed for their international progression. And it comes during MLS preseason. You think Mendoza wants to be reffing 16 year old El Salvadorans v Cubans or, say, Miami v. Cincinnati?
     
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  8. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    with mls moving to a regular calendar similar to Europe for 2027 season (I believe).. could you see that changing?
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No idea. I mean I didn't even notice the CONCACAF U17s changed until I just looked.

    I just don't think these are that prestigious of appointments for an MLS (or Liga Mx) referee. They are 16 year old kids. And you're reffing second- and third-rate CONCACAF nations. With *lots* of lopsided matches (go look at GD in some of the groups!). It's truly a youth tournament. If you're an established FIFA, you aren't even being considered anyway. Does a rising FIFA like a Mendoza or somewhat recently risen one such as Freemon need/want to go? I don't know about the "want." Maybe it would be cool if it was an actual tournament setting but now it's spread out with different groups in different locations and it's really just a glorified one or two match assignment. There's no knockout stage.

    Do they "need" it? No. A US or Mexican FIFA in CONCACAF is going to establish themselves on senior and club matches; they'll get their shot there eventually and don't need to prove themselves here now that they have the badge (these guys already went to these sort of tournaments to get the badge, after all).

    The more I look at it and think about it... if the format stays like this, I don't think you'll see any established MLS referees on this. You don't need to do Jamaica v Cayman U17s to get the Jamaica v Cayman senior-level assignment.
     
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  10. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    it’s why I asked, because I have noticed an uptick of concacaf showing up to mlsnext events and other American youth tournaments.
     
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  11. Advantage

    Advantage Member

    Apr 25, 2022
    Beyond seeing it as an advancement pathway, the MLS Next events are a pretty solid money maker for a lot of CONCACAF referees considering exchange rates.
     
  12. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Which is also very cool for the US refs working those events, btw
     
  13. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I’m not sure how much they’re paid in US dollars. My understanding speaking with them is that they’re paid a flat daily rate set by fifa. Like a retainer

    I have my own feelings on this. I think it’s cool to see how different officials referee in different parts of the world. Also interesting to see the unique styles of play we are afforded from having the little microcosms and diversity we have with such a sprawling nation.
     
  14. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Maybe it's just me but it's also just ... cool to work with a white badge in your crew.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not privvy to the compensation here, but I do know that appointments to CONCACAF tournament events (or, for that matter, FIFA events) can be absolute windfalls for many of the Central American and Caribbean officials. There's no sliding scale and the compensation is supposed to make it all worth the while of, say, someone from Miami or New York who is on an MLS salary. So you can imagine what it might mean for a Nicaraguan AR to be appointed to Gold Cup, for example. This is a major reason why some of the Gold Cup rosters have been bloated in the past.

    Long way of saying: don't sleep on that flat daily rate.

    I understand the feeling and long ago used to have it to at least some extent. But when you pause to think that these FIFA referees are traveling to your country to work in the same tournament that you might be covering as, say, a two-year Regional Referee... it should put things in perspective about the wide range of quality that a white badge can indicate.
     
  16. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Brings me back to a current NZ referee who's wearing the white badge as late as 2025, who was barely a Regional when he lived in TX. He told me himself he'd still be a Regional on the path towards National if he were still living in the States
     
  17. Referee37

    Referee37 New Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jan 26, 2026
    Any news on tonight’s assignments yet?
     
  18. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    This got me wondering: would it be fair to say that a number of US Soccer National Referees might reach FIFA status if they were part of a different federation (outside of Europe and South America)?

    Not every white badge is necessarily the same when you consider the depth of the referee pool in each country. As @MassReff has pointed out before, transferring between federations doesn’t always equate to the same level because referees develop within the environment and leagues they work in.

    So hypothetically, if you took ten current US National Referees and placed them in other federations, would some of them end up wearing the white badge? My assumption is that in certain regions — for example parts of OFC and CONCACAF (excluding perhaps New Zealand) ... that could very well be the case.

    At the end of the day, referees are largely shaped by the competitions they work, so the level of the domestic league structure inevitably influences the pathway.
     
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  19. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Keylor Herera (CRC) on Philly-America.

    Quite good reaction by him to whistle the play dead when the America GK went down in pain with the ball at his feet (and no one in the immediate vicinity) after apparently suffering a serious injury. I think this was within the spirit of the game, and it needs to be a quick decision, because there's no legal justification for ruling out a goal afterwards if the referee doesn't stop play in real time.
     
  20. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Penalty and second yellow by Fischer to the Monterrey goalkeeper, and all substitutions have been made. Field player in goal for the pen and the last ten minutes.

    Definitely correct decision, missed the ball and recklessly collided with his arm to the opponent's face.
     
  21. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Per Refereeing World blog

    Philadelphia Union – Club America
    Referee: Keylor Herrera CRC
    Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Fernández CRC
    Assistant Referee 2: Danny Sojo CRC
    Fourth Official: José García SLV
    VAR: Benjamín Pineda CRC
    AVAR: Yasith Monge CRC

    Monterrey – Cruz Azul
    Referee: Drew Fischer CAN
    Assistant Referee 1: Micheal Barwegen CAN
    Assistant Referee 2: Lyes Arfa CAN
    Fourth Official: Guido González USA
    VAR: José Rivero USA
    AVAR: Allen Chapman USA

    Los Angeles FC – LD Alajuelense
    Referee: Víctor Cáceres MEX
    Assistant Referee 1: Jorge Sánchez MEX
    Assistant Referee 2: Jonathan Gómez MEX
    Fourth Official: Jorge Camacho MEX
    VAR: Diana Pérez MEX
    AVAR: Erick Miranda MEX
     
  22. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Walter Lopez is a terrific referee and it’s a shame he’ll never go to the World Cup. He’s performed great in a very challenging game.

    Sidenote: I actually think that second penalty doesn’t need to be reviewed to be upgraded from a second yellow to a straight red. To me, the goalkeeper still has a chance to save the ball and the handball is therefore not a denial of an obvious goal. But that last replay made me second guess myself there, so I’ll give it a look again later if possible. If anyone has a link to all the replays, please share.
     
  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Pet peeve: there should never be in game review of 2CT vs straight red. It has nothing to do with thr game being played. Should be post game review by competition authorities. Why are we delaying a game unnecessarily?
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Particularly so because, in situations like this where things are heated, it gives the agrieved team a false sense that the call might be overturned, rather than upgraded. Better just to avoid that altogether. For what it's worth, I do think it is a clear straight red, though; not sure why a referee would default to the yellow on a play like that.

    Also, I know in a match like this it's a nit-pick, but the lack of a dissent card to Tverskov at 45+4 in unfortunate. He's aggressive to Lopez and in his face immediately, he does the monitor signal, he literally yells at him and tells him (by pointing!) to go leave the field and review it, he claps at him, and he does the gesticulating talking mimic. I mean, he's committed four or five different types of dissent at once. I understand not putting fuel on the fire with the captain of an already irritated team and I'm not able to confidently say I'd give that yellow in that moment in that context... but in the cold light of day, that has to be given. And many referees can learn that by watching stuff like this back.

     

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