2023-24 Roster Movement Thread

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by Buzz Killington, Nov 29, 2023.

  1. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Salloi would have decent value within MLS. True, bad season, but he's a known quantity, a former all-star, etc.
     
  2. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which then likely puts it into the category of SKC not wanting to part with him, or overvaluing him.
     
  3. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup, just one more reason the scouting and front office talent is poor. More money poured into the mix will only help so much if they don't know how to spend it properly.
    Under PV, Salloi has had a measure of success, but his performance has gone so stagnant that he is ineffective for long stretches of time on the pitch. He needs a team/manager who will reignite his abilities and that is why he needs to go. Better for SKC and better for him.
     
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  4. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. Either they haven't tried to sell anyone or they have tried but been unsuccessful. Both are very concerning, since we have one of the worst rosters in the league and one of the worst records as well.
     
  5. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, one of the worst rosters in the league before the two new signings arrive any minute now. After they're in, we'll probably be the best.
     
  6. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's only 1 as far as I understand, was at practice late last week.
     
  7. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Here's my copium (though I absolutely loathe that word, and I apologize for using it):

    Burns has not been here very long yet. Depending on the nature of things, it's entirely possible that he hasn't even fully negotiated away parts of his job from Peter. So the deeper reason we're seeing little player movement and no hints of the plans to come is just that he needs a little more time to really dig in and work his own process.

    It's a little whimsical, but it enables a little bit more hope for the next few years. I'm not ready to give up on that yet.
     
  8. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I mean, if you have opium why worry about coping?
    (I had to look that up to see it was a portmanteau)

    So, is there a less talented roster in MLS? Maybe since they sold Cowell, San Jose? St. Louis?
    But I will also trust in Mr. Burns
     
  9. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The original KC Star article is refenced here, should you not have access to their paywall. Otherwise, the original article is Sam's.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/urgent-sporting-kc-transfer-window-184312615.html

    They actually say "two to three" windows, and they did not exclude the summer.
     
  10. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mentioned elsewhere today, that the most frustrating, annoying, and disheartening part is that you're seeing all these other teams around the league that are better (clearly, very clearly better) than SKC that are able to successfully target players that will make their team better while KC because of their absolutely atrocious roster build mindset, and transfer mindset are stuck unable to improve their team this window. And not just the high visibility clubs, but the clubs that KC in theory should be competing with. It really sucks.
     
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  11. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Using the Forbes assessment, SKC isn't quite in a league to compete financially with the top few clubs (LA clubs, Inter Miami, Atlanta, DC, Austin, all over $80 million revenue, to our $65 million). We're in a better spot than half the league. We have just almost three times the revenue of Vancouver, and significant financial edges on clubs such as RSL, Colorado, NE, Chicago and Houston and many more (all around $45 million or under).
     
  12. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Forbes rankings show how effective the franchises are run as a buisness. SKC lost $1M.

    The top tier clubs either have a positive operating income (a good business) or they have owers that are willing to lose money on soccer. The Illigs don't strike me as the type to run a franchise for "the fun of it" and SKC as a buisness is losing money. So if the solution is to pour more owner funds into the club, PV likely has to provide a buisness case for how that will get them out of the red and into the black.
     
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  13. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    A nice piece of revenue for the higher earners is player sales. We don't do that.
     
  14. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean we've talked ad nauseam here about the dip of the team coinciding with Neal Patterson's passing, he was the "sporting" mind of the big 2 in ownership.
     
  15. Kooth

    Kooth Member

    Sporting KC
    Mar 11, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is sad that more of the Patterson "sporting" mojo/mindset did not rub off on the other owners.
     
  16. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is about the level of the signing I was expecting, but I don't like that we're back to shopping in the "coming off a knee injury" bargain basket.
     
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  18. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is not the building block for SKCs recovery that I was expecting. Maybe the bigger, more impressive signings will come in the off season.
     
  21. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I said after I'd heard the name, whelmed to disappointed was my response on the name. That said there was never going to be a big recovery signing. This is a bridge signing to help get us through and toward the rebuild. That's especially shown in this only being an 18 month contract.
     
  22. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A free transfer out of the Turkish league.
    And knee issues.

    Window 1 is officially a disaster.
     
  23. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So, we're saved? Before the injury, he seems as if he'd have been a good get. Post injury, he has yet to play an entire game, and his fitness hasn't been good, according to TM, so not sure he elevates us.I hope he does. I hope he allows Vermes to finally wave goodbye to Fontas, now that he's a 5 year younger version
     
  24. SportingKCFan

    SportingKCFan Member

    Sep 2, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    No change in strategy with this signing. No transfer fee, injured player released by his club. Burns has really changed the direction of Sporting. [Sigh].
     
  25. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll say the same thing I've said to people elsewhere on this, KC didn't have the roster mechanisms available to them to do much this window without sacrificing the winter window and next season. They didn't have a ton of cap space, they didn't want to dip into _AM for next year so buying down Salloi or Radoja to bring in a DP. They ********ed up the roster build royally and it screwed them for doing anything of substance this window.
     
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