2023-24 Hot Seat

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  1. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    disagree. There are always circumstances whereby posters know a coach is on the hot seat even if it doesn’t seem so on this forum. There will be seats that you don’t think that are hot that actually will have been and a change will be made after season. Also, being a hot seat forum this is exactly what the forum is for. You can agree and disagree with the conjecture but if you don’t like it then don’t look at it.

    Arizona- HOTTT
     
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  2. RusskyHoya

    RusskyHoya Member

    DC United
    United States
    Dec 15, 2019
    #477 RusskyHoya, Oct 3, 2023
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  3. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OPEN:
    Hampton - (interim; 8/3?)
    South Florida (after fall 2023)
    West Georgia (2024 DI, interim; 5/8)
    George Mason (interim; 9/15)
    Stephen F. Austin (interim; 10/3)

    FILLED:
    TBD
     
  4. Sports Addict

    Sports Addict Member

    Liverpool
    Canada
    May 19, 2023
    New rule! Most members can say whatever the heck they want, but new members must do their homework. Check! Let’s hold EVERYONE accountable on that, so that no one is intentionally marginalized.
     
  5. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everyone can say whatever they want, that is pretty obvious. So I will modify what I said earlier:

    As a matter of human decency, if one is going to assert that a coach is on the hot seat: Before posting, do your homework. Your posting here that a coach is on the hot seat can harm the coach's reputation and family and hurt the school's soccer program. So be responsible and spend some time checking facts before you risk damaging the coach and/or school.

    If someone truly has inside information, that seems to me like homework done. Pure conjecture or throwing a bunch of names out there for sport is not doing your homework.

    And, to be clear, in my opinion I think this should apply to everyone whether longtime posters or new. But, I believe that there are some who put up names here just to test them out and even, occasionally, because they are upset that a particular coach has been hired. It appears there is nothing any of us can do about that.

    And, of course, the internet is a free for all. There are virtually no rules. So I certainly am not intending to state rules for this thread.:)
     
  6. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Guess what job was never listed by these people who want to claim peoples’ jobs are on the “hot seat…”

    More evidence that these lists are trash and need to stop.
     
  7. Sports Addict

    Sports Addict Member

    Liverpool
    Canada
    May 19, 2023
    That’s all fair. In full transparency, I never said the St. Thomas coach was on the hot seat. I responded to a previous post which inspired me to do some research and noted that over 70% of the athletes are from the greater Twin Cities area; I also don’t believe the conference has a lot of depth given their overall success in the post season. Moreover, it’s a good school with big financial backers and in an area that is booming with a new USL team that sells out most every match. So, this coach has her work cut out for her and needs to recruit her a** off. Recruits from this year and next year would be eligible for post season play, no…assuming she makes it to the top six? So, that should help her attract more quality players going forward. I am rooting for her as an underdog, but not sure she can pivot. As I said before, time will tell, but she has to reimagine the program and that’s a hard thing to do given her tenure, experience, and current recruiting strategies.

    Finally, I think it’s outrageous and sad to think this blog has had a significant negative impact on coaching careers, especially given the anonymity. Is there data or evidence to back up this statement? Is there a blog member who is an AD who has been influenced by these posts? Players? Parents? If yes, I am not sure where the line is drawn, as even data and research can be distorted to serve an agenda or sway a point of view.
     
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  8. staffstaff

    staffstaff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 12, 2016
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The work is right in front of you, it’s a list I posted. These seats are hot. I suggest you do the work. I have zero bones to pick with any coach on these lists. I didn’t start the hot seat thread, I just reply. Posting open jobs and then the filled jobs is helpful, but that isn’t anything to do with a hot seat. The topic is 2023-24 hot seat.
     
  9. SuperSoccer1978

    Barcelona
    Nov 24, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    On the retirement angle, do we see people retiring at the end of the season?
     
  10. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    I also agree that it is silly to believe that anything discussed on this thread impacts a coaches reputation, family and schools program. Other people have said "AD's read this".....uhhhhh, no they don't. You actually think a D1 AD is saying to themself "Hmmm, I wonder what is happening in the soccer world, O, I know, I'll seek the wisdom of the Big Soccer Hot Seat thread and all the insightful opinions of the Yoda's of the soccer world".....haha, no way.
     
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  11. Soccermom21

    Soccermom21 New Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Feb 14, 2022
    Any sense of why CC womens soccer is D1 and not D3? Have they always been? It’s a small private school competing vs a lot of large state schools and they are having a rough go of it this season.
     
  12. LimestoneKid

    LimestoneKid Member

    Edmonton Drillers
    Canada
    Dec 22, 2022
  13. staffstaff

    staffstaff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 12, 2016
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CC men’s ice hockey is a historic program that competes in NCAA Division I. This is why CC has a D-I women’s soccer program.
     
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  14. Number007

    Number007 Member+

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Do your homework has no meaning in the context of BS. Some people clearly equate volume of posts to that. Sources in this sport are closely guarded so unless you are presenting a data based argument, how do you prove you have done your homework?

    Most of the posts I see are partisan, fan based comments that lack any balance or reason. I am trying to no longer interact with them.
     
  15. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Colorado College had a top women's Division 1 soccer program years ago. It had a Division 1 program long before most. It has a storied history.
     
  16. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. One of my daughters went to CC and at a parents weekend, I saw the women play. At that time, if I recall correctly, they were ranked #4.

    There are a few schools that have a few of their sports, but not all, playing at the D1 level. I know little about ice hockey, but I think that may be where it is most common. At the time they split their teams between different levels, the NCAA allowed it. They no longer allow it, which is why it was all or nothing for a school like St. Thomas.
     
  17. staffstaff

    staffstaff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 12, 2016
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #492 staffstaff, Oct 4, 2023
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    I’m aware of the history of CC women’s soccer, the question was why do they play D-I women’s soccer and the answer is because of D-I men’s hockey which has been around since the 1930’s. .
     
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  18. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
  19. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Colorado College was a pioneer in women’s soccer even before it was an NCAA sport, and hosted the first National championships. In the early days they were in several championship games.
    They started giving scholarships in Women’s soccer around 1981 when they were given the choice of downgrading Men’s ice hockey without scholarships or giving scholarships in a women’s sport and they chose Soccer. They originally were D1 in ice hockey because there were no D3 or D2 teams regionally.
     
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  20. LimestoneKid

    LimestoneKid Member

    Edmonton Drillers
    Canada
    Dec 22, 2022
    I don't think this question warrants a new thread so I'll simply add to the ongoing one on Hot Seats.

    There's a omission from the Hot Seat list and it's Iona College in New Rochelle. (Maybe it's because they're in the MAAC.)

    The Gaels are having an absolutely awful season this year. They're 1-11-1/0-3-1 and I can't help but think that part of the reason is that whomever did the team's early season scheduling absolutely murdered the squad's confidence level. They were 1-5 after six games with three of those loses being lopsided games versus P5 schools.

    @ Purdue - 0-8
    @ Texas - 0-6
    @ Wake Forest - 0-6

    I just don't get that type of scheduling. It's almost like they were playing guarantee games like FCS teams do when they travel to FBS schools.

    I haven't seen the team play but it seems like the coach was moving the team in a positive direction, or at least making them respectable, after being hired in January of 2019.

    2019 - 7-11-2/4-5-1
    2020 - 1-4-1/1-3-1
    2021 - 11-8/6-4
    2022 - 8-7-4/3-6-1
    2023 - 1-11-1/0-3-1

    The MAAC is ranked 29th out of 32 conferences. They shouldn't be playing teams in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd ranked conferences in the country unless it's in the NCAA play-offs.

    If I'm doing the scheduling for Iona I'm scheduling games versus every team in the NEC (30th ranked conference) with a few games versus America East, A-10 schools, and if I'm feeling adventurous, the occasional Patriot League school.

    So I guess my question is this, if the coach is responsible for his team's scheduling how much weight does that carry in end-of-season evaluations? If the scheduling is done by an Assistant A.D. does lighten the weight of a poor record?
     
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  21. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    As a disclaimer, I would like to say that I am not in anyway trying to diminish the actual wrongs that might be happening at some places.

    I was reading some of the twitter stuff on the SFA coach. Some of this is getting out of hand. One of the parents wrote a letter, and in the letter it recommended that the coach let the players pick the team and coach the team. How do these parents get so wrapped up in their college age kids life and soccer career? If it isn't working and they don't like how it's going, why don't they just go to a different school? It is easier than ever to transfer? They don't even have to ask their coach to transfer anymore. It sure seems like as soon as someone's daughter has a rough time, they want to go after someone. When will it all stop? This doesn't happen in men's sports at near the rate.
     
  22. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    Or maybe, after both times the admin did an independent investigation, they found nothing. It all seems very club soccer. I do not know the specific instances, but parents going on social media witch hunts seems very petty and childish, The same thing has happened at numerous places.
     
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  23. Kraude1316

    Kraude1316 New Member

    Southampton
    United States
    Dec 14, 2017
    Well I’m hearing Green Bay is in real trouble, the Admin met with players and they blasted the head coach and said the coaching was junior varsity level, the players are completely backing the assistant and the assistant is undermining the head coach. I can’t see this coach here in 2024, but you never know.

    St. Thomas is in trouble but has time. The Admin has stated there new recruits have to be top summit league level. They have been recruiting above average d2 players. Look at Duluth and Winona middle of the road d2 schools that are now bottom feeders, she has clearly been stealing their recruits past couple years.

    Milwaukee has dipped a bit since previous coach jumped to P5, but new coach has done a remarkable job of winning players over, their talent level has dropped a little but he is definitely safe.

    Marquette is starting to win over Milwaukee area in recruits this past year, should be interesting going forward. Both of them are frequently seen at SC Wave, FC Wisconsin and North Shore club games and practices.
     
  24. KeepitontheDeck

    KeepitontheDeck New Member

    Aug 27, 2023
    Scheduling is almost always done by the coaches. I think a couple of things come into play. The first is having the same open dates, which is like completing a jigsaw puzzle I would imagine. My guess in this instance is that those schools offered guarantees which helped make it cheaper to play them than a bus trip to an America East school. For a small budget school, every bit helps. The other thing that I have no idea about is whether they have injuries? Maybe they’re missing kids that they thought they’d have at the time of scheduling. Just took a quick glance at their results and their MAAC games have all been close. Some years are like that.
     
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  25. justdoit

    justdoit Member

    Aug 11, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Looking at the P5 conferences are there some schools that aren’t fully funded? Are their budgets way different? Are the facilities far more superior at some schools? This could be a factor in the standings. How much is The U concerned in the standings of womens soccer as long as the football team is doing well in Miami. BC seems to be a bottom feeder in most ACC sports location hurts them and Syracuse the same. There are a bunch of factors that come into play. Schools that put an emphasis in sports seem to do much better. I would think that most of the P5 schools are just concerned that the womens soccer team has a good experience and players and parents stay out of the AD’s office. Its american football season that is what drives all these schools.
     

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