He wasn’t VARing for Luton. He was VARing Everton v Forest, which has implications for Luton in the relegation race.
Ah. Thank you for stopping me before I embarrassed myself more! So, more or less everything I posted above can be disregarded. It's still very poor assigning from PGMOL. And I think the one piece I stand by fully is that Attwell could/should have said "no." But aside from that, if it's not unprecedented and not violating any clearly written or agreed upon policies, it's not as bad as I thought. Still pretty bad, though. Just not "so catastrophic that you have to see the club's argument" bad.
It's well-known that Michael Oliver is a Newcastle supporter, and therefore he does not get assigned any Newcastle matches. But I remember it being mentioned somewhere that he also doesn't get assigned any late-season matches involving teams that Newcastle is directly competing with (Man United, West Ham, and possibly Spurs this year). Does anybody know if the PGMOL has any formal policy about refs being assigned to matches involving teams competing with the club they support (as was the case with Atwell), and/or when the "late-season" is considered to have started? Because Luton has been in a relegation battle the entire season, and I'm sure Atwell has been assigned to other matches throughout the season involving clubs that Luton is competing against to avoid relegation.
I think there's just a "you know it when you see it line" and when there's four matches left to play and a Forest loss keeps Luton within one point of safety, it goes past that line. When the same situation arises with a dozen matches left it feels a bit different. Another way to put it is that you know it was a massive match because Anthony Taylor was reffing it.
Clatts so isn't getting invited to the PMGOL Christmas Party. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ties-Everton-mind-boggling-avoided-PGMOL.html I guess if any PL ref from the last decade would be willing to so publicly nuke their relationships within the ref community, Clattenburg would be the guy.
There is something to be said about rethinking an assignment if a team has a reasonable request to do so, especially at this level.
Don't I vaguely remember him costing his ARs a World Cup by jetting off to Saudi Arabia for the payday?
All true. But look at the flipside.....the day started with Everton on 27 points, Forest on 26 points, and Luton on 25 points. So it's not like an Everton win was a great result for Luton either. In fact, the best result for Luton probably would have been a draw. So while Forest may be pissed because Atwell's actions helped Everton at their expense, it's arguable whether or not his decisions helped Luton all that much.
Given Everton has a match in hand, one could easily argue today’s result was actually the best possible for Luton. I suppose the counterpoint is Luton still has a six-pointer with Everton. But still, that’s a wash at best. You’re probably right a draw is best result for Luton in the end. Regardless, it doesn’t change the dumbness of the assignment.
The fact we are having this discussion means the assignment was an error. The club's accusation is plausible although I don't think any conscious bias is at all likely. With as much money as there is in this, it seems remarkably foolish.
MLS was able to pull a replacement off a game after finding him in a Messi jersey on social media, but England lets this go lol
Ah yes, and I’m sure Clattenburg will report a very accurate retelling of this audio back to the Sun or the Daily Mail afterwards.
Once it's missed live, a VAR can make the argument that, despite the ankle roll, the contact is low enough and the force limited enough to be yellow. And then that means no intervention. Of course, that's England (in both cases). In most other places, after the initial miss, someone will figure out it needs to be at least yellow and everyone will get the referee there either through totally valid methods (AR/4th) or more of a backdoor play (VAR check completes for no SFP; implying strongly that yellow is necessary without instructing so). Either way, the referee gets the hint. And in some places, that ankle role and height of the challenge will be enough for an SFP intervention. But as much as I want this to be an easy/clear red, it's probably right on the border in a lot of competitions which undoubtedly puts it in the "preferred yellow" zone in the 9th minute of a late season London derby because this is England we're talking about.
60' minute in MUN-SHE, Salisbury blows for a penalty as the ball is bouncing around the penalty area ... and the ball goes in. United score the penalty (thankfully, I'm sure, for Salisbury!) but what a moment! Who among us hasn't been there?
This is totally a red but what made this worthy of intervention compared to many other tackles? I'm assuming it mostly being a match between 11th and 14th. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cc8ml2/milos_kerkez_bournemouth_straight_red_card/
I mean, is that a red? It's an ugly tackle, but it seems like he gets the ball with the first leg and it's the second leg--bent and on the floor--that carries the brunt of the force. I'm fine in an amateur match saying the force is simply too high and it has to be red, but I'm not sure that's a clear red at the professional level. And given it's England, well... Yeah, Jackson's challenge yesterday is most definitely worse. Or if it's not "worse" to the extent everything is subjective, it has far more clear components of a red card than this one does. The inconsistency or arbitrary enforcement is quite something.
Spent the whole 25 second loop trying to figure out where the evidence was to send that down for SFP, and I don't think I found it after 3 or 4 times through.
There is a chance—albeit a small one—that an on-field red card for that in MLS would get reversed. We are simply in bizarro world. I want to hear from the people who said VAR would bring about worldwide consistency.
There really does seem to be a change late in this season how these tackles are handled---some new directive or something. I don't think I'm inaccurately recalling that in the early stages of this season, we were seeing tackles like Jackson's yesterday or Kilman's this past weekend being shown red.
This was a red card given on the field, not a VAR overturn. So, there is no intervention, or rather, a recommendation of a review, which I think is the key when you are analyzing VAR interventions in England.