2023-24 England Referee Thread [EPL/EFL/Cups+][Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by code1390, Jul 28, 2023.

  1. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    #1251 chwmy, Dec 4, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2023
    Yeah when I first watched it i thought the AR had already slowed down but it’s clear that the AR doesn’t slow up until the whistle sounds.

    I think it’s a useful exercise to try to figure out what happens when an elite official makes a terrible error. After watching the replay many times, Hooper raises his whistle to his mouth, and raises his right arm when he sees haaland go down: after seeing haaland get up with the ball, he then raises his right arm again to indicate advantage. Now i am wondering if Hooper actually began to whistle the foul, and immediately thought better of it, but made a small amount of sound with the whistle: realizing that he has affected play he then has no choice but to stop play. It’s still a massive screwup but to be fair it is not so common that a fouled player get up and realize advantage after being knocked to the ground.

    Add: @AremRed beat me to it
     
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  2. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Meme
     

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  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're you asking for one? Okay here.

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  4. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    For myself, I'd say less wishcasting and more spitballing. Agreed he whiffed, and agreed don't know why. Just looking for others' thoughts and impressions. The blunder was so stark that it seems natural to try making some sense, any sense. Maybe a fool's errand. Really curious to see what emerges from PGMOL.
     
  5. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Can you put Taylor's face on the other woman?
     
  6. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This pretty much confirms that even though Erling Haaland is a great soccer player, he is certainly no Olivier Giroud (aka Soccer’s Most Handsome Man TM).
     
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  7. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Big miss, big error, benefitted my team, great call!
     
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  8. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    End of AVL-ARS….why tf can’t we have a clearly bleeding player be treated during the 2+ minute VAR check instead of after? Stupid.
     
  9. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    There is absolutely no way a Liverpool player would have gotten a second yellow card while at home leading 1-0 on THAT tackle. Shameful refereeing from Madley.
     
  10. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    I'm assuming this is sarcasm - you can't really tell on here anymore.
     
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  11. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Oh no. I’m completely serious. That was horrible.
     
  12. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    When was the last time FIFA/IFAB deemed any trial “unsuccessful”? Once they said they concluded that the mic’d up VAR announcements at the WWC were successful, these “trials” feel more like PR management than actual test runs with two possible outcomes.

    I’m with RedStar. ARing as we knew it in the professional game will be obsolete very soon, I think even at the 2026 World Cup we will likely see some big changes such as the AR getting notified live by the semiautomated system.

    ARing of course will still be a very important craft at any level where VAR is unused, and even where it is used without SAOT. But without its presence in the professional game, it will be a dying art.
     
  13. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Back to the old days of no specialised linesmen and instead just a referee running the flanks to signals throw-ins, etc? :)

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  14. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Typical professional foul to stop a promising attack. Easy and obvious YC.
     
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  15. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I await Roy Hodgson's touchline ban for taking the reffing to task in his post-match interview.
     
  16. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
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    Running with speed, has easy pass to wing who has 50 yards of open space in front of him down the sideline into the attacking third. Easy SPA
     
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  17. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    A few clips from Reddit soccer this morning

    Women’s EPL, James gets yellow card for this dead ball foul.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/72fFitzRXh

    Michael Oliver gives very interesting simulation YC to Palmer in Everton-Chelsea 19’. Great call by Oliver, but I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a player go down and jump up back into play so quickly get carded for simulation.

    https://dubz.co/v/ky9bt9
     
  18. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    The tackle on Foden should have been red.
    The Luton player jumped in with studs up.

    8:25 -
     
  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    She is a classless footballer. Hopefully this gets post-match action.

    Trying to save himself from a caution as he realized his dive was caught.
     
  20. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Can't believe nobody has posted yet on the chaos that was Crystal Palace-Liverpool....
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1272 code1390, Dec 11, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2023
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love this…

    Oh, thanks Dale! Of course everything is fine because PGMOL says there’s only been one missed intervention. Not like they have a higher standard which is why there’s such a perception. No way.

    Then in the very next passage he basically admits the Luton player should have been sent off for SFP. Just amazing stuff.

    As to the table… the La Liga number last year is eye-popping. But were the previous two seasons down? Spain has the reputation for more cards so it feels weird for that number to be the anomaly there. Also, those are raw numbers in the final column, correct? So while things are down… they aren’t that far down.
     
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  23. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    It's so infuriating. He seems to think that whatever the PGMOL says is as immutable as the law of gravity. It's as if God, himself, wrote those judgements in stone and can't possibly be wrong.

    For someone that now has developed a second career essentially analyzing statistics, permutations, etc. he seems to have no idea of the concept of outliers.

    However you want to look at that table, you have to admit that someone is wrong. Either the rest of the Europe is completely clueless when it comes to judging SFP or the EPL is.

    You can't just justify the massive discrepancy by saying the "Premier League and Bundesliga have historically have had far fewer straight red cards than everyone else" and basically admit it is okay.

    It's not 1960 anymore when soccer in Italy was a completely foreign concept to soccer in England.

    Differences are understandable and the numbers shouldn't be exactly the same between the leagues. However, when playing the same sport, you have can't have differences of 2X, 3X or 4X when it comes to the most consequential decision a referee can make.

    I've tried to have this debate with him on Twitter that the data is flat out telling you that someone is wrong. If you want to make the argument that Spain, Italy and France are wrong that's okay. However, you can't just say mark it off as "historical differences when you have ********ing VAR."

    Also, the way he skews/presents the table would make the Soviet Union blush.

    You have to normalize the table to roughly the same amount of games played at this point in the season.

    You can't show total straight red cards for the previous couple of seasons after 38 matches played and then show a table for this season after 16-18 matches played so far.

    You normalize the previous seasons and say "these are how many straight red cards were shown after 16-18 games in each league and this is how many straight red cards have been shown after 16-18 games so far this year in each league."

    I didn't really read the rest of his article as it's always the same "this was a 5-50 call and if the referee had called it VAR wouldn't have intervened, blah, blah, blah."
     
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  24. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR

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