2023-24 England Referee Thread [EPL/EFL/Cups+][Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by code1390, Jul 28, 2023.

  1. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Van dijk got additional one game ban and 100k fine for abuse after getting the DOGSO send off. And of course the reddit mouthbreathers who went in about how terrible referee abuse is, want everyone carded for surrounding the ref, etc. claim the fine is ridiculous and that getting an additional game for “that’s a f-ing joke” over and over is also ridiculous
     
  2. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    I can shed a tear for Virgil as his base salary is a pittance at $11,440,000 per yr! :cry:
     
  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For context, the fine for someone making $75K/year would be about $655. Obviously, that 100K won't break his bank account, but it's not exactly like it's a completely minor fine.
     
  4. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    That's true but I think it got everyone's attention. Going forward we'll see if everyone got the message. :unsure:
     
  5. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    VAR uninterested in a stone penalty for Spurs around the 32nd minute.
     
  6. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    A 2YC for dissent!!!!!!!
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    13 cautions in Spurs-Sheffield United and 16 minutes of stoppage, huh?
     
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  8. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I missed the Spurs match. Did anything happen?

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  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  10. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Sheffield United's keeper started with the time wasting verrrrrrrry early (while still tied). He was already on a yellow for a handball. It was pretty clear a time wasting 2YC wasn't coming, so he took his time. A lot.
     
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  11. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Do you have a site that says the actual reasons why the YC was given like this? Or is it just speculation like googles match reports

    Or is this googles one?
     
  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's Flash Score. Take the reasons with a massive grain of salt.
     
  13. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Okay so it’s not like RFEF official match reports then. Thanks
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #439 code1390, Sep 16, 2023
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2023
    Won't lie. I was surprised this was given by Pawson and his AR. Feels a lot like the standard "yeah it's technically a foul but it was always going out for a goal kick (actually a corner)".

    https://dubz.co/c/f25df1
     
  15. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I'm gonna beat this horse to death, but the answer is basically "we don't give those" at the corner of the penalty area facing away from goal.

    That's all I got.
     
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  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PK for handball overturned against Brentford. It's one where I do agree that it shouldn't be handball but with current global standards it was more than supportable.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And it is Gordon, who has quite the reputation for simulation already.

    I don’t see this as a penalty. Look at the way he throws his foot in and turns it before contact. He’s creating the situation here. If he had any opportunity (and made any attempt) to possess or control the ball, I’d feel differently. But this just has all the hallmarks of an attacker trying to buy a non-existent penalty. Shocked it worked. I mean, why do we want to punish this but excuse Wan-Bissaka? It doesn’t make sense. Priorities are backward.
     
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  18. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For better or worse Pawson has clearly taken the idea of not being afraid of a big decision to heart. His problem is that he's making decisions that are total outliers to the rest of the PL and how this league is called week to week and year to year.
     
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  19. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    #444 mfw13, Sep 16, 2023
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2023
    So Pawson had three KMI's:

    - ruling out Wilson's goal due to a foul by Wilson on the keeper (upheld by VAR)
    - awarding the PK for the foul on Gordon by the keeper (upheld by VAR)
    - the handball (VAR recommended OFR, Pawson overruled his on-field call)

    How many did he get right on the field? And how many did the VAR get right?

    Because you can make an argument (not that I am) that he got all three calls wrong on the field IRT.

    Personally (note that I am a Newcastle supporter), I think Wilson's first goal should have stood (the keeper made a mess of it, and I don't think Wilson prevented him from playing the ball in a way that rose to the level of a foul, although I haven't seen a really good replay, since NBC did not show one, so I could be wrong), the PK was justified (keeper came rushing out, failed to play the ball, clattered Gordon, who admittedly was looking for the contact), and the handball was ridiculous.

    So I think he got one right and two wrong.
     
  20. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Anyone know what "roughing" is?

    PH
     
  21. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    FWIW, I disagree about the PK, so to me he got all three wrong.
    It will be interesting to hear Lord Webb's analysis of these incidents.

    PH
     
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  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    15 yard penalty and an automatic first down!!

    Wait, wrong football. Carry on. ;)
     
  23. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    In the days before VAR, this would have been fun.
    From the front view, easy PK.
    From the rear view, total dive.
    It would just depend upon the view of the official and maybe help from the AR.

    In the VAR era, I don't know how they miss that.
    They have both views.
     
  24. Mikael_Referee

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Terrible decision to give that penalty to Newcastle...

    Another key incident, from added time of Villa vs. Palace. What do you think?

    https://www.streambug.io/v/a29604
     
  25. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Pawson also gave YC for interfering with GK release. Interesting in light of some recent discussion here.
     

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