2022 World cup/Qualifying Rosters

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by DHC1, Apr 14, 2020.

  1. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    What makes you think Robinson has had a rise? I haven't seen any Championship matches, but did his form skyrocket? Or just because he had that Milan transfer and apparently some epl interest?

    I think I saw he hit a few Champ team of the weeks, but was under the (maybe mistaken) impression that his form had been good the entire year, but that nobody here was that impressed cuz his team was terrible.

    Agree with rgli in that it's quite odd to see him in 90% of lineups when it seems egg simply doesn't rate him highly. Maybe that changes if his form has improved that much, hopefully.
     
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  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Robinson cemented himself as a starter, won league wide awards, and was subject of a transfer bid to AC Milan that was scuppered only due to a failed medical. He still has interest from Milan, Chelsea, and Newcastle.

    I would consider that a rise.

    Berhalter reversed course to bring back Reggie Cannon, once the unworkable tactics were dropped. I suspect the same will happen with Robinson.
     
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  3. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Wtf are you talking about? There was a thread of gifs on him from that game. He had some positive plays all of them combined dont offset these 5 defensive plays let alone the turnovers, lack of showing for the ball, etc.







     
  4. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    He seems to have been a starter all year for Wigan, and hasn't been called in since what, a June friendly against Jamaica.

    I think the transfer and interest from EPL teams is absolutely important, but many here I think wouldn't take that into account (ie. gotta watch the US games, where he got smoked by Brazil).

    Hope Egg sees him differently now, or at least after his hopefully successful surgery, whenever it happens.
     
  5. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I cant think of anytime in USMNT history where an outside back not preventing a cross became the defining moment of their play.

    I know most people here refuse to accept new information and change their opinions, but this is one of the craziest. A young player took a poor angle on a top player and was beat to the end line, but then recovered nicely for the rest of the game. Meanwhile, there is some nut claiming the #6 in the same game played well and all of Aaron Long's mistakes are just ignored.
     
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  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003

    Goalkeepers (3)
    Bsky (3): Steffen, Horvath, Undecided (Guzan today, but would prefer to go younger down the road)

    Central Defenders (4)
    Bsky (4): Brooks, Alvarado, Miazga, CCV

    Outside Back/Wing (4-5)
    Bsky (4): Dest, ARobinson, Cannon, Yedlin,

    Central Midfielders (5-6)
    Bsky (6): Adams, McKennie, Pulisic, Morales, Holmes, Ledezma

    Attackers
    Bsky (6): Reyna, Sargent, Weah Llanez, Morris, Altidore
     
  7. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    My rationale is pretty much B. We've mostly had Lovitz or Ream start at LB in meaningful games. I think Ream is serviceable in CONCACAF at LB, but we know he has some defensive lapses and gets beaten for pace, so it's not like we're sacrificing some sure fire defensive solidity by putting Dest there instead of him. I like A. Robinson, but I don't make a habit of watching relegation zone teams in the Championship, so I really haven't seen him play at all this year. I have a hard time justifying putting him in my lineup based on second-hand reports about his play or a rumored move to Milan.

    And a little bit of C...it seems weird to force Cannon/Yedlin to the bench so that Ream/Lovitz can play LB. It seems like it's a better overall 11 if 2 out of Dest/Cannon/Yedlin are out there instead of 2 out of Dest/Ream/Lovitz.
     
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  8. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unrelated, but the first thing I thought of when I saw this sentence was, “Timmy Chandler.” Except for Chandler it would be not preventing, defending, or caring about any cross
     
  9. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    #109 DHC1, Apr 18, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2020
    Goalkeepers (3)
    Ives: Steffen, Johnson, Guzan
    Doyle: Steffen, Turner, Ochoa
    dhc1: Steffen, Horvath, MLS keeper
    largegarlic: Steffen, Guzan, Turner
    11Bravo: Steffen, Guzan, Hamid
    rgli13: steffen, horvath, turner
    Individual11: Steffen, Horvath, Hamid
    jaykoz3: Steffen, Guzan, open
    Mahtzo: Steffan, GK2, GK3
    yurch: Steffen, Horvath, Johnson
    dlokteff: Steffen, Hamid, Turner
    pkeeler167:
    Steffan, Horvath, Ochoa
    Goalkeepers (3)
    Bsky (3): Steffen, Horvath, Guzan

    Consensus around Steffen and not a lot of consensus on backups

    Central Defenders (4)
    Ives (4):
    Brooks, Long, Alvarado, Miazga
    Doyle (4): Brooks, Long (West Ham), MRobinson, Richards
    dhc1 (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Alvarado
    largegarlic (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Ream
    11Bravo (4): Brooks, Long, Zimmerman, Miazga
    rgli13 (4): brooks, long, mrobinson, miazga
    Individual11 (4): Brooks,
    McKenzie, Miazga, MRobinson
    jaykoz3 (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Ream
    Mahtzo (5): Brooks, Long, McKenzie*, MRobinson*, Alvarado*
    yurch (4): Brooks, Long, Alvarado, Miazga
    dlokteff (4)
    : Brooks, Robinson, Miazga, Zimmerman
    pkeeler167(4): Brooks, Miazga, Palmer-Brown, Richards
    Bsky (4): Brooks, Alvarado, Miazga, CCV

    Consensus around Brooks (100%), Long (90%) and Miazga (80%). Pick 'em between MRobinson (40%) and Alvarado (40%). Fringe around Richards, Ream, Zimmerman, McKenzie

    Outside Back/Wing (4-5)

    Ives (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    Doyle (4): Cannon (Schalke), Dest, ARobinson, Vines
    dhc1 (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    largegarlic (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    11Bravo (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    rgli13 (4):
    Cannon, Dest, ARobinson, vines
    Individual11 (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson, Duncan
    jaykoz3 (5): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson, Lima
    Mahtzo (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, Hollingshead
    yurch (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    dlokteff (4): ARobinson, Dest, Duncan, Yedlin
    pkeeler167(4): ARobinson, Dest, Cannon, Sousa
    Bsky (4): Dest, ARobinson, Cannon, Yedlin

    Consensus around Cannon (100%), Dest (100%), ARobinson (90%) Yedlin (80%). Fringe MLS players: vines, duncan, Lima, hollingshead

    Central Midfielders (5-6)
    Ives (7): McKennie, Adams, Lletget, Bradley, Roldan, Yueill, Holmes
    Doyle (6): McKennie, Adams, Yueill, Pomykal (Leverkusen), Aaronson (RB Leipzig); Ledezma
    dhc1 (6): McKennie, Adams, Morales, Holmes, Pomykal, Ledezma
    largegarlic (5): McKennie, Adams, Lletget, Yueill, Morales
    11Bravo (5): McKennie, Adams, Morales, Pomykal, Lletget
    rgli13 (5):
    adams, mckennie, pomykal, yueill, aaronson
    Individual11 (6): McKennie, Adams, Servania, Holmes, Pomykal, Gressel
    Mahtzo (6): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Holmes, Morales, Yueill
    jaykoz3 (4):
    McKennie, Adams, Sands, Yueill
    yurch (5): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Morales, Holmes
    dlokteff (5): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Roldan, Holmes
    pkeeler167(6): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Cardoso, Holmes, Ledezma
    Bsky (5): Adams, McKennie, Morales, Holmes, Ledezma

    Consensus around McKennie (100%), Adams (100%). Next level: Pomykal (75%) Yueill (50%) and Holmes (58%), Lletget (25%) and Morales (43%). Fringe-y: Bradley, Roldan, Aaronson, Ledezma, Servania, Gressel, Sands

    Attackers (5)
    Ives (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Zardes, Boyd
    Doyle (5): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Weah, Sargent
    dhc1 (6): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Llanez
    largegarlic (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Altidore, Zardes, Sargent
    11Bravo (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Sargent, de la Fuente, Ferreira
    rgli13 (7): Pulisic, reyna, morris, weah, sargent, zardes, arriola
    Individual11 (5): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Soto, Sargent
    Mahtzo (5): Pulisic, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Reyna
    jaykoz3 (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Zardes, Weah
    yurch (7):
    Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Sargent, Llanez, Ferreira, Weah
    dlokteff (7): Sargent, Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Llanez, Weah
    pkeeler167(6): Sargent, Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Weah
    Bsky (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Sargent, Weah, Llanez, Morris, Altidore

    Consensus around: Pulisic, Reyna, Morris and Sargent (100% each), Next group: Altidore (50%), Zardes (33%), Weah (42%) and Llanez (42%): Fringe-y: Boyd, de la Fuente, Ferreira, Arriola, Soto


    MLS players in squad (italic):

    Ives: 11 / (5 starters - Bradley!!)
    Doyle: 10 (6, if players leave) / (3 starters)
    dhc1: 6 / (2 starters)
    largegarlic: 9 / (3 starters)
    11Bravo: 9 / (2 starters)
    rgli13: 11 / (3 starters)
    Individual11: 9 / (2 starters)

    Mahtzo: 10 /
    jaykoz3: 9 / (2 starters)
    yurch: 6 / (1 starter)
    dlokteff: 9 / (2 starters)
    pkeeler167: 2 / (1 starter)
    Bsky: 4 / (no starters)

    Median around 10/23 MLS (43%) and about 2-3 starters (27%). Far cry from the Arena/Berhalter benchmark.

    Bold = starter
    Italic = MLS
    Red = only chosen twice or less
     
  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Antonee Robinson's failed transfer to Milan was not a rumor.
     
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  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Goalkeepers (3)
    Ives: Steffen, Johnson, Guzan
    Doyle: Steffen, Turner, Ochoa
    dhc1: Steffen, Horvath, MLS keeper
    largegarlic: Steffen, Guzan, Turner
    11Bravo: Steffen, Guzan, Hamid
    rgli13: steffen, horvath, turner
    Individual11: Steffen, Horvath, Hamid
    jaykoz3: Steffen, Guzan, open
    Mahtzo: Steffan, GK2, GK3
    yurch: Steffen, Horvath, Johnson
    dlokteff: Steffen, Hamid, Turner
    pkeeler167:
    Steffan, Horvath, Ochoa
    Bsky (3): Steffen, Horvath, Guzan

    Consensus around Steffen and not a lot of consensus on backups

    Central Defenders (4)
    Ives (4):
    Brooks, Long, Alvarado, Miazga
    Doyle (4): Brooks, Long (West Ham), MRobinson, Richards
    dhc1 (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Alvarado
    largegarlic (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Ream
    11Bravo (4): Brooks, Long, Zimmerman, Miazga
    rgli13 (4): brooks, long, mrobinson, miazga
    Individual11 (4): Brooks,
    McKenzie, Miazga, MRobinson
    jaykoz3 (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Ream
    Mahtzo (5): Brooks, Long, McKenzie, MRobinson, Alvarado
    yurch (4): Brooks, Long, Alvarado, Miazga
    dlokteff (4)
    : Brooks, MRobinson, Miazga, Zimmerman
    pkeeler167(4): Brooks, Miazga, Palmer-Brown, Richards
    Bsky (4): Brooks, Alvarado, Miazga, CCV

    Consensus around Brooks (100%), Miazga (85%) and Long (70%). Pick 'em between MRobinson (38%) and Alvarado (38%). Fringe around Richards, Ream, Zimmerman, McKenzie, Palmer-Brown

    Outside Back/Wing (4-5)

    Ives (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    Doyle (4): Cannon (Schalke), Dest, ARobinson, Vines
    dhc1 (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    largegarlic (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    11Bravo (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    rgli13 (4):
    Cannon, Dest, ARobinson, vines
    Individual11 (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson, Duncan
    jaykoz3 (5): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson, Lima
    Mahtzo (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, Hollingshead
    yurch (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    dlokteff (4): ARobinson, Dest, Duncan, Yedlin
    pkeeler167(4): ARobinson, Dest, Cannon, Sousa
    Bsky (4): Dest, ARobinson, Cannon, Yedlin

    Consensus around Cannon (100%), Dest (100%), ARobinson (92%), Yedlin (77%). Fringe MLS players: vines, duncan, Lima, hollingshead, sousa

    Central Midfielders (5-6)
    Ives (7): McKennie, Adams, Lletget, Bradley, Roldan, Yueill, Holmes
    Doyle (6): McKennie, Adams, Yueill, Pomykal (Leverkusen), Aaronson (RB Leipzig); Ledezma
    dhc1 (6): McKennie, Adams, Morales, Holmes, Pomykal, Ledezma
    largegarlic (5): McKennie, Adams, Lletget, Yueill, Morales
    11Bravo (5): McKennie, Adams, Morales, Pomykal, Lletget
    rgli13 (5):
    adams, mckennie, pomykal, yueill, aaronson
    Individual11 (6): McKennie, Adams, Servania, Holmes, Pomykal, Gressel
    Mahtzo (6): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Holmes, Morales, Yueill
    jaykoz3 (4):
    McKennie, Adams, Sands, Yueill
    yurch (5): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Morales, Holmes
    dlokteff (5): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Roldan, Holmes
    pkeeler167(6): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Cardoso, Holmes, Ledezma
    Bsky (5): Adams, McKennie, Morales, Holmes, Ledezma

    Consensus around McKennie (100%), Adams (100%). Next level: Pomykal (69%), Holmes (62%), Morales (46%), Yueill (46%), Ledezma (31%) and Lletget (23%). Fringe-y: Bradley, Roldan, Aaronson, , Servania, Gressel, Sands

    Attackers (5)
    Ives (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Zardes, Boyd
    Doyle (5): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Weah, Sargent
    dhc1 (6): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Llanez
    largegarlic (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Altidore, Zardes, Sargent
    11Bravo (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Sargent, de la Fuente, Ferreira
    rgli13 (7): Pulisic, reyna, morris, weah, sargent, zardes, arriola
    Individual11 (5): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Soto, Sargent
    Mahtzo (5): Pulisic, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Reyna
    jaykoz3 (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Zardes, Weah
    yurch (7):
    Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Sargent, Llanez, Ferreira, Weah
    dlokteff (7): Sargent, Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Llanez, Weah
    pkeeler167(6): Sargent, Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Weah
    Bsky (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Sargent, Weah, Llanez, Morris, Altidore

    Consensus around: Pulisic, Reyna, Morris and Sargent (100% each), Next group: Altidore (54%), Weah (54%), Llanez (54%) and Zardes (31%): Fringe-y: Boyd, de la Fuente, Ferreira, Arriola, Soto


    MLS players in squad (italic):

    Ives: 11 / (5 starters - Bradley!!)
    Doyle: 10 (6, if players leave) / (3 starters)
    dhc1: 6 / (2 starters)
    largegarlic: 9 / (3 starters)
    11Bravo: 9 / (2 starters)
    rgli13: 11 / (3 starters)
    Individual11: 9 / (2 starters)

    Mahtzo: 10 /
    jaykoz3: 9 / (2 starters)
    yurch: 6 / (1 starter)
    dlokteff: 9 / (2 starters)
    pkeeler167: 2 / (1 starter)
    Bsky: 4 / (no starters)

    Median around 9/23 MLS (39%) and 2 starters (18%). Far cry from the Arena/Berhalter benchmark.

    Bold = starter
    Italic = MLS
    Red = only chosen twice or less
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'm not seeing it. McKennie gets pantsed and Trapp not only covers the recipient of the pass from McKennie's man but Trapp continues through to cut off the give back to McKennies man while McKennie daydreams.

    When you say they "circle" Trapp, what I see is Trapp closing the back door while 3 teammates take care of the ball carrier.

    I don't think you understand the game of team soccer. What do you think of Kellyn Acosta? Would he be better than Trapp in your opinion?
     
  13. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    It's weird for me to be looking at the soccer writers and thinking, wait, don't we need more veteran leadership?
     
  14. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    question- why does a poor showing against brazil completely nullify robinsons 6 other caps in which he was ok-really good (including 2 assists), and justify leaving him out of the team, while dest was beaten in embarrassing fashion in two of his 3 caps against far weaker opponents- and thats just part of the learning process in his case?

    somebody answer that for me without hiding behind some "berhalter dropped him, so that proves hes not good" nonsense- berhalters also given multiple caps to cory baird and djordje mihailovic.
     
  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Well, you know my belief but that's being twisted to saying that pointing out the reason Gregg chose Lovitz over ARobinson (and then using Lovitz as an offensive sub when we were down a goal) means that one "hates" MLS and is biased against it.
     
  16. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    im not asking about any knock-on effects, im saying how can anyone justify dropping robinson (whos shown better) while excusing dest?

    and before anyone makes dumb arguments out of that- of course dests mistakes should be excused. my point is robinsons- against freaking brazil- should as well. its a moronic double standard.
     
  17. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Why do people think he had a poor showing against Brazil?
     
  18. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    #118 Ghost, Apr 20, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2020
    GK: Steffen, Guzan, Turner
    FB: Cannon, Dest, Robinson, Acosta
    CB: Brooks, Long, Sandler, Robinson
    DM: Adams, Yueill, McKennie, Morales
    AM: Pulisic,Reyna, Weah, Arriola, Pomykal
    FW: Sargent, Morris, Zardes
     
  19. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    starters?
     
  20. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and clarify which acosta, and who you meant with sandler. asking for a friend...
     
  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd say that Robinson, Dest, Cannon and a lot of the other very young players need to be graded differently than established veterans who will no longer improve. If Robinson was not picked because of his defense I hope he was told what to work on and that they'd be watching him. And then I hope they are and if he does what they ask he gets brought back in. Having multiple attacking backs on both sides that are improving defensively is something the US has never had.
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Danilo Acosta? Would be great if if he finds a way back to realizing the early promise he had shown.
     
  23. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    I think you were looking for a player who were there in the front of the attacker. But the image that popped in my mind was Eddie Lewis against Czech Republic? TBF he wasn't anywhere in the picture in that 5th minute, hence the problem. His overall career not defined by that play, but maybe his time as a left back?
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    In the '14 WC, in the sequence leading to Portugal's game-tying goal, Beez could've put a body on Ron, instead of standing there asking the man for a post-game jersey swap. :)
     
  25. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah, like beez had body to be throwing around. use your head, man!
     
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