Pre-match: 2022 World Cup Oranje qualifying matches

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  1. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    And you’re naïve enough to judge a player based on one bad game. It was a bad game for the team as a whole too.

    Imagine if I judged Luuk on every bad game he’s had. He’d be playing in the Keuken Division.

    This is pathetic at this point. Keep trying though.
     
  2. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    If Luuk played for PSV this season instead of Sevilla I guarantee you he would have almost double the goals than Malen.

    Luuk is the smarter pick right now (of the two)
     
  3. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    How dare you, Luuk scored 3 goals. Nothing else matters.

    Anyway, I obviously agree. Memphis needs to be back as our striker. We need a dynamic striker that has technique, movement, and speed. We need combinations and creativeness. Everything Luuk is NOT.

    Boadu has been disappointing. I thought he turned a corner when he last scored a hattrick for AZ. He’s still young and is obviously talented, but he needs to make strides, otherwise he won’t make it.
     
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  4. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Ah yes, the if game. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, DIDN’T SO NOT RELEVANT.

    If Malen would be playing for Sevilla I think he’d be doing better than Luuk as well. Spain suits a player like Malen, technique, speed, combinations etc.

    Two can play that game. So at the end of this ridiculous game we’re left with the true facts.

    Still wrong ;). Try again.

    Also, I like how you keep shifting the goal posts in your argument. Now you want to limit it to Malen vs Luuk? Whatever happened to the best we have right now?

    Depay? Weghorst? Lmao.
     
  5. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    What?
    Come on you cannot be serious?
     
  6. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    I think he actually is, which is the sad part.

    Either that or he KNOWS that he’s been caught out and is now desperately trying to save face by acting this way and clutching for dear life at these ridiculous claims.
     
  7. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    If Malen was sold to Sevilla right now he wouldnt be good enough to crack that starting lineup. Definitely not as a striker, thats for sure.

    Funny thing is Malen isnt event technically a striker, he's more of an attacking forward/winger
     
  8. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I'm dead serious. Do I need to remind you that Koeman also picked Luuk, and Luuk scored a very important goal against N. Ireland (making Koeman look like a genius).

    Or are you saying Koeman was wrong for picking Luuk over Malen as well??
     
  9. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Stop the madness!

    De Boer OUT!
     
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  10. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Imagine that, even a non-striker has better stats than an out and out striker. This further solidifies my point.

    Also, if you want to say that Malen wouldn’t crack the starting line-up then I’ll turn around and say Luuk wouldn’t have more goals than Malen at PSV. See how that works? Woulda coulda shoulda.

    Even if Malen doesn’t crack the starting line-up he’d be sitting right next to Luuk de Bench. Still a non-argument for you.

    Now let’s get back to discussing like adults.
     
  11. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Are you watching how he cannot move without stumbling or receiving a pass without losing control?
    Very slow and lumbering.
    Has been very lucky to score truthfully.
    Malen comparably is so much more dynamic.
    Cannot argue these facts.
     
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  12. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Oh wow, he scored one important goal in the past. Let’s disregard his dismal form this season and pick him over everyone who’s currently statistically miles better.

    Imagine if that logic would be applied to every average player who scored an important goal by being in the right moment at the right time. Smh.
     
  13. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Koeman also picked Luuk agaisnt N. Ireland for EC qualifying. Luuk scored a very important goal that game as well (making Koeman look like a genius).

    Are you saying Koeman was wrong for picking Luuk over Malen??
    Answer the question, yes or no
     
  14. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    He literally only looks at these “amazing” goals. 0 nuance. It’s madness.
     
  15. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    His goal tonight was put in by the defender by the way. Crap Berghuis with a rare right footed ball.
    Yikes.
     
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  16. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Read my answer above. Not wasting my time on this nonsense again.
     
  17. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I asked you a question and you didnt answer me. Are you saying Koeman was wrong for picking Luuk over Malen as well??

    Yes or no, please
     
  18. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Failure to answer my question with either yes or no has been noted
     
  19. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I have watched Oranje for over 40 years and it’s embarrassing having these technically dead players like Luuk de Jong.
     
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  20. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    That’s the thing, you are short-sighted and one-dimensional enough to think it’s only a yes or no question when nuance is EVERYTHING. Grow up.
     
  21. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I would say yes he is wrong based on the qualities of the 2 players.
     
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  22. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Even more embarrassing are the people defending these duds. Smh.
     
  23. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Thank you, at least you answered honestly.

    Back in 2019 Malen scored 11 goals in 14 games for PSV
    Luuk only scored 6 goals in 25 games for Sevilla.

    And yet Koeman played Luuk ahead of Malen, and Luuk winds scoring the winning goal vs N. Ireland. Everyone in the media called Koeman a genius for that move. But you're one of the few who's saying he was wrong.

    I'll give you props for at least giving an honest answer though
     
  24. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I hated watching Vennegoor of Hesselink play also. This nonsensical “pinch” hitter role it’s been called. Serve and Hope. I hate it, but understand it’s a tactical move for extreme desperation.
    Weghorst needs to play after all he’s scoring a lot in the Bundesliga.
    Need to play quick progressive movement and combinations to unlock defensive lines.
    That is the game today.
    Players like Luuk de Jong are so out of their depth.
    It’s bloody obvious.
     
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  25. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I remember it well. Kudos to Koeman but I’m just looking at the ability of the 2 players.
    Who is the better footballer?
    All day every day for me is Donyell Malen who by the way has a helluva a lot to prove and is a bit undersized as a striker perhaps but brings other qualities.
     
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