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Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by Primitive Ways, Jul 17, 2018.
The conmebol world cup qualifiers are the most competitive and corrupt.
I guess we agree to disagree lol I find that their group stage and playoffs tend to leave out good teams that would easily qualify in other regions.
I realized it was corrupt after this incident.
I will never get over it.
That was the most corrupt ish,ever,I remember this and was so livid ,over it.Its like they always favor Uruguay,and make it their business to give them a shot ,to catch up.
Before it’d be teams like Germany vs teams like San Marino. We’d qualify every time if we played San Marino, Lichtenstein, Georgia....
I’ll never get over this one. I
remember watching that game and the commentary was sure of the handball In the box that should’ve been a penalty for us. Instead the ref completely ignores it and we get caught with our dicks in our hands.
That’s probably the only time I’ve understood the extreme violence that exists in soccer around the world. I wanted that ref beheaded LOL!
I digress, the Uruguayans have been frustrating, but we did qualify on their backs several times, so there’s more good than bad memories.
The team I absolutely hate playing is Colombia, home or away I’m never confident we’re getting any points.
CONMEBOL has made it clear they favor Uruguay, Argentina, and Brazil A LOT. We have to dominate these teams because if we don't, you can bet they're going to get some penalty or red card to help them.
Of course. Which is why they changed it up now to have strong teams grouped together and the 2nd place of a group has to go against the other 2nd place finishers. That's how they made it more competitive.
This one I remember but at least here I can understand the ref MIGHT not have seen it due to how fast paced the action was. Now for the Chucho one? Hell nah! Muslera clearly dived into his body and the payaso decides to book Chucho for "diving". There was no excuse there for not calling the penalty other than assuring Uruguay got enough points to make it to the world cup.
As for Colombia it's a mental thing. I remember a match where Achilier got red carded early into the match and Ecuador completely dominated Colombia IN Colombia but lost to a lucky goal.
If Alfaro can make these boys mentally strong, I see us being hard to beat both home and away. The tactics are there, but the composure needs to be improved.
He made a good point about their education, training grounds and jumping to Europe. Although people do have him as a player that will be coming in for Nani I still think it a decent move to say the least. Mendez, Cifuentes, Palacios changed alot from being benched to constant playing time so im not worried about him struggling there to much. Lets be honest this move is better than him going to BSC or MX.
And again the biggest issue was that our players moved to MX and got stuck their due to the MX putting high price tags on players. At least MLS gives them a better chance of making the move to Europe because they dont get marked up as high as MX does.
I was one of the biggest haters of this guy seeing him in Seattle and these past 2 games it like a completely different player not even in BSC did he play like this.
I really wish we could just get American refs for all conmebol WCQ matches.
remember mike geiger?
Any of you got any vids from journalists about the game?
lmao idk I just wanted any non bias ref
Moises Caicedo has drawn interest from Ajax and America. Hope to god he doesn't go to Mexico.
Sadly, my friend, that just comes down to the bid size and from a business decision, what makes most sense for the club. More concrete offers for him are coming from Palmeiras, too.
It's always a tricky situation with the younger guys b/c some will play at the senior level in their country but might not be fit enough or "big" enough to play senior squad in Europe where the players all seem like goons. Even look at Toño's evolution from Villareal-Recreativo-Wigan-Manchester United....he bulked up a ton to be at his best.
Caicedo can just as easily get sent to the U23 or junior squads and train with the seniors now and then if he can't break into the first squad.
At his age, he needs to just get minutes, be the standout on every matchday and bulk up. IMO Brazil would be a great league for him - look at transfer size out of Palmeiras and other BR clubs to go to Europe....it's verifiable and a de-risked investment for the clubs. If he can cut it there and outshine in a league of technically gifted players, at 20-21 y/o he'll be in Europe.
Nothing against Mexico or America but I don't trust them to properly develop a player of his talents. One thing to consider is that America is always a team that's in win now mode. He's a young player and is still developing. Would they have the patience to stick with him should he not hit the ground running right off the bat or if he struggles for a couple of games? I doubt it.
If he were to stay in the Americas then Brazil would be a good fit for him. Efen better if its Palmeiras because there's talk of Miguel Angel Ramirez joining them. Brazil knows how to develop players. Their history in exporting players speaks for itself.
Holland, Portugal, and Germany would be good fits for him. Austria too. I can see a team like Salzburg signing a player with his potential and talents.
His best bet is to go to Ajax.
Great league at developing talent and other European teams will come knocking much quicker if he performs.
Noboa will be out for two months due to injury so he'll miss next months WCQ games.
Admittedly, if previous games provide evidence for what we can expect from the NT, we don't necessarily "need" Noboa on the field, but he's a critical mentor on the sidelines to coach our guys through stressful situations.
The biggest concern for me, to be honest, is the lack of a creative midfielder that can adequately distribute the ball - a Mendez/Riquelme/Kante. Cazares has been off the NT for quite some time, and yesterday's match where Corinthians steamrolled saw him play at a VERY impressive level. Here's my worry - does he help the team's current chemistry, or is he a grenade that blows it to shreds?
He was such a nice kid before, but he's changed a lot.
I agree completely. We need Noboa moreso for the leadership and guidance he brings to the table. That doesn't show up in the boxscore but the importance of this can't be overlooked.
Reports out of Brazil indicate that Cazares played well. Should he contunue to play I don't even know if he should be called up. I fear he would destroy the chemistry of the team. Or worse that his undisciplined behavior rubs off on the younger players. It's tough though because I can't think of a similar player that has his skillset.
This is a total random thought but do you guys remember the Rueda days? Back when we were calling up Luis Checa, Isaac Mina, Alex Bolaños, Flavio Caicedo, and similar players. While we may not have that one superstar level player I'd say we have a bigger talent pool and more depth.
Can someone please elaborate with Cazares ? Where does the talks of him being disruptive to team chemistry come from.
I would love for him to be on the field , he's the mendez (sees the field and quick decisions making ) that we really need .
Cazares really cant play any other position than CAM. He cant play wings and although he recovers he has never really played as a center mid field. Lets look at Miller. He came into the nt really late and Quintero kinda structured the team around him. And that didnt work out to well.
That where I think they are coming from. I saw Alfaro Call up Sornoza who is another player that cant really play any other positions. The real question is how would he use these players and would it benefit our team ?
All of our CAMs really fell out the only ones left are Sornoza and Cazares. Aleman, Cortez, Miller I doubt they come back to the nt.
Is it really worth it for Alfaro to work out a playing style that incorparates a CAM for only these 2 players ? Probably not.
And this is coming from someone who really wanted to see us use these kinds of players on the NT. If Alfaro does call him up he is gonna need to learn to play into a different role than he is used to and hopes it works.
The knock on Cazares is his undisciplined behavior. He likes to party. Most footballers probably do but when it gets to the point that commitment to the team starts to be questioned it's a problem. The fans and media put up with it because he played well for the team. He left Atletico Mineiro on bad terms. Sampaoli wanted nothing to do with him. That should tell you something. A lot of this happens away from the spotlight so there's more to the story that we'll probably never find out.
Cazares is not a one dimensional player. He plays best when he's in an advanced midfield position but if you watch him play he'll slot over on the wings and will track back and defend. I can't think of an Ecuadorian player that has the same level of technique that he has. He's good on set pieces and can score from long range. Our strength has been and will be our wing play. That can make us predictable and we've seen it happen in past qualifiers. We need a player who can play through the middle and has the passing and vision to distribute the ball and throughout the pitch. In theory that's where Cazares comes in. Should he start? Nope. Should Alfaro build the team around him? Also no. Bring him in with 20-25 minutes left in the match and he'll provide the team with a different dimension.