2022 WC Qatar: Worldwide Opponents Watch [all R's]

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  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hazard won the young player of the year award that year, but he was also the runner up for overall player of the year also (behind Suarez). And he was Chelsea’s player of the year that season as well.
     
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  3. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    That's my gut feeling, but I wouldn't care to state that definitively. And they've got a lot of players who have had and are still capable of much better than today, but I don't get the feeling that they will be going too deep in this tournament. Nor my Croatia.

    Morocco, I think, will pose a challenge for Canada because I believe they'll go all out a similar (albeit different) counterattack with pace game, but they'll do it out of a lower block and more balls to Ziyech.
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Fellaini was panned hard before the Brazil WC. The 13/14 season with United he was considered a flop, and barely played. Also, they played Origi for 90 minutes against us, resting Lukaku. He was 19, playing garbage minutes for Lille.

    Now they have peak De Bruyne, peak Witsel (Atletico is several levels higher than Zenit), an experienced Courtois (he was 22 when we played). Mirallas they also rested against us and only came in at the hour mark. Trossard is a rock with Brighton, one of the reasons they are punching way above their weight.

    This Belgium was not any weaker than the one we played, and that's why I expect them to make QFs, like they did in '14.
     
  5. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada

    Over here, Dale Johnson takes my arguments, and throws them in a shredder....

    Should Canada have had three VAR penalties vs. Belgium? (espn.com)
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We're #15 in value at €277.4 million.

    Wales is #23 (€160.15m) and Iran #28 (€59.53m), so our team is significantly more expensive than those two put together.

    [​IMG]
     
  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Witsel at 33 is not peak compared to the same player at 25. Nor is De Bruyne at 31 (though he’s still a very good player).

    Lukaku scored against us so the fact that he was absent today is particularly relevant. As is the absence of Kompany and the fact that Hazard is a shell of the player he was in 2014 when he was one of the best in the EPL. There’s no real argument that this current team is better. 2014 was the generation where so many of their guys were in their peak years. This tournament is their final run together and a lot of them aren’t what they were 8 years ago.

    Canada played great today and has a lot to be proud of. That doesn’t mean this version of Belgium is better than 2014 or that we need to knock the 2014 team to try to make Canada look better. Canada played great and was unlucky, we don’t need to create false comparisons from the past to prove a point other than that.
     
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  8. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Belgium did better in 2018 than in 2014. No idea why you're insisting 2014 was their peak. Weird.
     
  9. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Denmark to hold talks with England over QUITTING Fifa amid huge World Cup row about One Love armband ban | The US Sun (the-sun.com)

    Anyone else see this? Ever since the crazy, non sensical UEFA Super League Idea had it's aborted debut announcement a few years ago I've been wondering why UEFA and Conmebol, and other outside powers like El Tri and the US, haven't simply walked out on FIFA after the 2010 voting debacle, and Roman Vomitorium level scale of corruption it revealed.

    How hard could it be to leave FIFA, and build a new organization modeled w/the efficiency of modern sports corporations, rather than the bloated, insanely corrupt bull--- fest that is FIFA. It shouldn't be too difficult to build the framework, the infrastructure is already in place, and the incentive to do so is MASSIVE. Essentially Infantino and his thugs use bribes, and the sheer size of the collection of totally irrelevant federations to keep the true powers in check, and at the whim of whatever the more numerous, ---- show federations prefer. Why not just bail, set up a competing organization, and go from there? WHy do they need FIFA? What do they need them for? FIFA is a giant vacuum cleaner sucking up insanely massive piles of money for what exactly?

    It's crazy that the momentum for this could start over something as small as a silly wrist band, which has got to be the most pusillanimous protest ever, and they couldn't even stick to that, but I'll take it, I will absolutely take it. I'll grant its a pipe dream, but a few days ago, I was just dreaming of this possibility, not actually thinking there was any chance of it happening but man, if UEFA tells FIFA to ---- off, wow, we could have a real, genuine, legit organization eventually building out international soccer, instead of basically a soccer IOC. Would be awesome. Hopefully this starts the momentum to make it happen, or barring that, making real change happen at FIFA. If UEFA and the big dogs leave, FIFA will go bankrupt in like 5 seconds. That would be incredible.
     
  10. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    don’t forget the minus coach factor. We drop down significantly with that.
     
  11. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Some of the greatest things we’ve ever done, have often come out of the stupidest little things.

    Can’t imagine FIFA will let us go without a fight however.
     
  12. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I’m the last person to look solely at transfer values as the barometer of talent, this does provide some evidence of what I’m talking about. The US roster, 1 to 26, is deeper and more talented than the Canadian roster. Canada has one elite player, one very good player, a decent player at the European level, and then a bunch of second and third tier Euro players sprinkled with some MLS players.

    Coaching matters, particularly at the international level when you just can’t go out and buy/trade for who you want. I know there are some on this board who try to minimize how good Herdman is, but results don’t lie. In the only competition that mattered, Canada was the best team and deserved winner.
     
  13. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1 nil Swiss...Embolo 48th minute
     
  14. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Not a great game, but typical Swiss side. Very very hard to score against, savvy and tough to beat.

    I still think Brazil have a nasty group here with Serbia.
     
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  15. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    My hope is that Korea gives Uruguay fits and Suarez bites someone on the butt.
     
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  16. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uruguay vs S Korea is on...
     
  17. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's why it's always fun to watch him.
     
  18. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    S Korea is dominating the first few minutes
     
  19. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SKorea just missed a sitter (number 16)
     
  20. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another Asian underdog playing really well. Seems to be a pattern except for Qatar and Iran so far.
     
  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Korea looks so sharp and technical, top to bottom (except for Hwang’s miss). Jealous of their ball movement.

    ETA: News flash, Nunez is still good.
     
  22. SCBozeman

    SCBozeman Member

    Jun 3, 2001
    St. Louis
    Grandpa Godin puts a header off the post from a corner.

    When Korea sets up in defense, Uruguay has a tough time breaking it down. They look better in transition.

    Darwin Nunez is the same player I’ve always seen with Liverpool - looks the part but doesn’t produce enough.
     
  23. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uruguay hits the goalpost. Lucky for SKorea. Suarez has no chance to shoot or bite yet
     
  24. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    This is the dilemma of VAR: either you commit to the human element of officiating, with all the good and bad that entails, or you commit to getting everything right by the book, with VAR.

    You can't have the review booth making judgments based on player reputation, flow of the game, evening out mistakes, etc. VAR is supposed to be a check on those things. It's either a foul or it's not.
     
  25. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Caceres got a yellow for fouling Son from behind
     

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