Found this interesting link: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,QAT,4562d8cf2,484f9a3732,0.html Quote from it "Qatar is a destination for men and women trafficked for the purposes of involuntary servitude and, to a lesser extent, commercial sexual exploitation" Qatar has been known for having a modern day slavery issue.
My post from the prior thread: Quote: Originally Posted by palynka What about footballers like Mario Gomez who play for their national teams and are openly gay? What treatment can they expect in a country where homosexuality is illegal? I don't understand why things like these aren't relevant and why discussion can't proceed here without being moderated. Agreed. I would love to see how Germany would respond to Gomez's banning from participation... Would they leave Gomez at home, or not participate at all?
Why would Qatar ban Gomez from participating? It is not illegal to be gay in Qatar, it's just illegal to have gay sex. As long as he keeps it in his pants for the duration of the tournament, there's no issue. Not saying it's a fair law, but it's certainly not going to result in him being told he can't compete.
And the question is not about Mario Gomez (as he probably will be too old in 2022 for the Germany NT) but about any hypothetically gay player.
Qatar will be the worst World Cup in recent history. Of course I'm a little bitter that the U.S. did not get it but Qatar? Really? I have no doubt they will have the facilities ready to go. That's not my concern. It's the lodging, security, transportation, weather (even if they say they will be air conditioned), and other problems that I just don't see them over coming. There is NOTHING in Qatar to do on top of that, other than get blown up. My brother served in Iraq and got a "pass" to go to Qatar for a couple days. After one of the bases was attacked down there they brought him back to Iraq. He said the place was a "sh!T hole" and never wanted to go back. Didn't we learn anything from South Africa? It's nice to let someone new do it, but if you want to make any money on the sport you don't put it in a small, unpopulated country. There won't be anyone at the matches in Qatar. You thought S.A. was bad? It won't be anything compared to 2022. This whole thing stunk of corruption for months now. Still does. Oh well. When FIFA decides it wants to make money based on fan support at games, and viewership then come call us when you are ready.
Well, that and he never officially came out as homosexual. And under Qatar law, 'sodomy' is punishable by up to 5 years in prison and/or 90 lashes regardless of sexual orientation. So no oral sex in Qatar in 2022!
What's FIFA hope for this tournament then? Germany was a "time to make friends." What's Qatar? "Ok we'll give you money if you don't talk about our infrastructure problems and FIFA'S corruption"
Why should he be treated differently from the players who bring their partners? And there was a case of several Filipinos being deported for being homosexual. I doubt they caught them all red handed having gay sex, so how sure are you that they would be ok if they did not have sex?
apparently it's supposed to be carbon neutral in some way even with the air conditioning. but all these stadia will be domes then, very strange. And will women want to travel? how tight will security be for the Americans, English? what if Israel makes the WC Finals?
Yep, I'm pretty sure he's just been urging gay players to actually come out and admit to it, despite not even being homosexual. This leads me to believe that there's someone playing for Bayern who could be gay but only Mario knows?
Well, I understand that but the point you're missing is that FIFA has MADE the matter political by this decision. If they hadn't chosen a country that doesn't allow gays, Jews, (although they can be given special dispensation... apparently ), drunks, (I've no IDEA where most of my and your lot are going to end up), people who 'fornicate', etc, etc, then we wouldn't have a problem... but they DID! It's THEM that have made the political and cultural situation on Qatar an issue... not us. If we're not allowed to discuss the ramifications of a FIFA decision in a FIFA thread, what shall we talk about? Our favourite colour?
It is illegal to be gay in Qatar. Sharia forbids homosexuality. The charge of sodomy simply means being charged for being gay. Also note blasphemy is a crime. So if you're going there don't criticize Islam or else you'll be locked up.
I'm not saying it's right that a gay player is treated differently, I'm just saying the fact they are homosexual is not going to cause them to be banned from competing. Well, since identifying as homosexual is not a crime in Qatar I can only assume that they were convicted of the actual act of sodomy. I have several openly gay friends who have visited (and one who's even lived in) Doha.
Not only that there was that American in the 90s that got 100 lashes for "homosexual activity". But hey, Qatar has 12 years to get their Shari Law adjusted to the West's social norms. bwahahahahaha
I'm guessing he was not female or a jew or a foreign worker but of course, I'm sure he was treated SO well because he's GAY.
Sauce? I am no expert in Qatari law, but I am almost 100% certain this is incorrect and the crime of sodomy there relates to homosexual acts, not the fact that someone self-identifies as gay.
I posted this somewhere else. I am sure that the Qatari government will look the other way when it comes to many of their conservative rules the summer of 2022. I highly doubt that the police will raid hotel rooms and arrest homosexuals. People holding hands or kissing in public may get tickets or something, but I do not think anyone will get lashes for dressing the wrong way. Alcohol and prostitutes will flow in Qatar like they do anywhere else (maybe they will make the drinking age high say 30).
Well, tbh, it's TOTALLY beside the point. It should NEVER have been awarded to a country where it's even an issue. The whole thing is a farce.
What is your point? I am not claiming that the laws on homosexuality in Qatar (or any other of their laws) are fair. Merely that a player is not going to be banned from competing just because they openly identify themselves as gay. This thread needs to retain some sort of relevance to football if it's going to stay in this forum, guys. If it just becomes a general Qatar/Sharia bashing thread it will be moved to Politics.
They never actually catch people doing homosexual acts, they find out a person is gay and then they charge them with sodomy or something else. Of course if you're not a slave type they might let it slide but if they don't like you or you're the wrong color or type of person they'll arrest you for sodomy. You're logic doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows sodomy laws exist to persecute gays, not gay sex. They'd have no idea whether or not you've had gay sex. It's like saying you can't be arrested in Saudi Arabia for being a witch but only for practicing witchcraft.