2022 MLS Week 23 Referee Discussion

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  1. A66C

    A66C Member

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    Jan 3, 2022
    07/29/22

    Los Angeles FC vs Seattle Sounders
    Banc of California Stadium (11PM ET) on FS1
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Brandon Stevis
    VAR: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AVAR: Jeremy Hanson

    07/30/22

    Minnesota United vs Portland Timbers
    Allianz Field (3PM ET) on ABC
    REF: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Jeffrey Greeson
    AR2: Jeffrey Swartzel
    4TH: Lukasz Szpala
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Jeremy Hanson

    Chicago Fire vs Atlanta United
    Soldier Field (5PM ET)
    REF: Timothy Ford
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Brian Poeschel
    4TH: Ricardo Fierro
    VAR: Alex Chilowicz
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    Charlotte FC vs Columbus Crew
    Bank of America Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Matthew Conger
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Chantal Boudreau
    4TH: Alyssa Nichols
    VAR: Ismail Elfath
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    CF Montréal vs New York City FC
    Stade Saputo (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Ramy Touchan
    AR1: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    AR2: Andrew Bigelow
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Jon Freemon
    AVAR: Jose Da Silva

    Philadelphia Union vs Houston Dynamo
    Subaru Park (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Kevin Stott - First game this season
    AR1: Matthew Nelson
    AR2: Ben Pilgrim
    4TH: Natalie Simon
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Peter Balciunas

    Inter Miami vs FC Cincinnati
    DRV PNK Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Tori Penso
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Rubiel Vazquez
    VAR: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Nashville vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    GEODIS Park (8PM ET)
    REF: Marcos DeOliveira
    AR1: Jeff Hosking
    AR2: Kevin Lock
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Ted Unkel
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    New England Revolution vs Toronto FC
    Gillette Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Ismir Pekmic
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: CJ Morgante
    4TH: Adam Kilpatrick
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Corey Rockwell

    Sporting Kansas City vs Austin FC
    Children’s Mercy Park (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Fotis Bazakos
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Meghan Mullen
    4TH: Greg Dopka
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Jeremy Hanson

    FC Dallas vs LA Galaxy
    Toyota Stadium (9PM ET)
    REF: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AR1: Lyes Arfa
    AR2: Brooke Mayo
    4TH: Luis Guardia
    VAR: Chris Penso
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Real Salt Lake
    PayPal Park (10PM ET)
    REF: Nima Saghafi
    AR1: Micheal Barwegen
    AR2: Felisha Mariscal
    4TH: Brandon Stevis
    VAR: Alex Chilowicz
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    07/31/22

    D.C. United vs Orlando City
    Audi Field (5PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Kevin Klinger
    AR2: Diego Blas
    4TH: Matt Thompson
    VAR: Ismail Elfath
    AVAR: Jeremy Hanson
     
  2. A66C

    A66C Member

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    Jan 3, 2022
    In solemn news, this may be why Robert Sibiga has not appeared this season. Condolences to him and his family.

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  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Victor Rivas and crew really did well in the Minnesota-Portland match. To say that was wild is a massive understatement. 4-4, a Portland goal 13 seconds in, Portland scoring three in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half to come back from 3-1 down, then MNUFC equalizing. It was the soccer version of the classic 1984 Hagler-Hearns fight.

    It was very, very entertaining, and Rivas and team did a good job.
     
  4. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Agreed. Don't think those teams like each other, but he landed that plane well.
     
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  5. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fascinating VAR review in PHI-HOU. Houston player goes to ground, and the ball goes off his leg and hits his trailing arm. Nothing big there. But then, the Houston player has the ball hit his other arm as he continues his slide (at least I believe it hit his arm). Stott originally calls a penalty, then goes to the monitor and reverses his call.

    I hope this one is part of the next Inside Video Review, because I would love to hear the conversation. For me, it seems like the second occurrence of the ball hitting the hand/arm makes it handling. However, I could see where this is still part of the interpretation that when the player plays the ball and it then hits the hand or arm in a natural position, then there's no handling. The big thing about this is that the ball comes off the trailing arm, which is in a natural position as the Houston player slides.

    In any case, it's an interesting discussion point on any number of fronts.
     
  6. btharner

    btharner Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Selinsgrove, Pa.
    Sitting here watching Kevin Stott working the Dynamo-Union game and remembering that I watched him do a Wiz-Burn game in April 1996 (I think it was his first MLS match) and realizing that was half my life ago. Where does the time go?
     
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  7. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It really is amazing that Kevin Stott is still doing the highest professional level in the United States after 27 years, and he in no way at all looks out of place on the field, Much respect for him continuing at such a high level for so many years.
     
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  8. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Two VERY close offside decisions at the end of ORL v DC. Certainly the difference between using the European lines vs MLS's eyeball test was evident from the angles I saw
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There were a lot of VAR interventions this weekend. There were 9 OFRs, in fact. Barkey has a lot of material to work with for Friday.

    I think the two in Orlando are going to be some of the most debatable. Certainly arguments for a penalty and for offside, respectively, but not sure either will be supported as reaching the clear and obvious threshold.

    The rejected OFR for the Toronto-New England penalty is the most baffling. It seemed like a good intervention and Pekmic just didn't go with it. Feel like we will hear something there.

    Everything else seemed solid from an accuracy standpoint, though the offside decisions were very close and some of these interventions took way too long.

    By the way, it's worth noting Mendoza didn't work at all this weekend after an error in a 1-goal game that PRO pre-emptively conceded was wrong. Could be a coincidence or it could be accountability.
     
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  10. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember, he wasn't supposed to have the whistle in that Seattle game anyway, but was switched in (I don't remember why). So this could just be rebalancing after that change too.
     
  11. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you referring to the DC v. Orlando game for this? I'm not entirely sure what potential penalty you'd be referring to here, but for DC's first goal, I thought Kamara was always onside or at least even with the second to last defender (see below for some modeling; not my account).

     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, sorry. I meant Miami when I wrote Orlando. Sloppy mistake.

    I meant the penalty for the charge/elbow from behind (was the defender pushed first?). And then the offside decision to negate a goal (was it clear?).
     
  13. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotcha. There was definitely some controversy over Kamara's positioning on the DC equalizer in 2nd half stoppage time, so that's why I was confused about the penalty portion of your comment. Definitely all sorted now.
     
  14. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    50/50 in Orlando and a pretty forceful public criticism of the non-overturn in New England. About what I expected.

    Interesting that they also don't like offside intervention in KC-Austin. But that's in line with the Miami one, too.

    Not the best rate of execution this past week. PRO is saying a penalty was missed despite the VAR doing the right thing and then two VARs took away what should have been good goals.
     
  16. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I agreed with PRO on all of those. I like that they aren’t looking to overturn OS calls/no-calls on the field when they are really close. But i also think theater makes those close OS calls really tough on the VAR—how close is too close to intervene?
     
  17. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Are you referring to the Miami goal against Cincinnati that was overturned?
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did it again! Yes, sorry.
     

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