2022 MLS Week 22 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by A66C, Jul 21, 2022.

  1. A66C

    A66C Member

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    United States
    Jan 3, 2022
    07/23/22

    New York City FC vs Inter Miami
    Yankee Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4TH: Luis Arroyo
    VAR: Ismail Elfath
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    FC Cincinnati vs Nashville
    TQL Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Timothy Ford
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Brooke Mayo
    4TH: Greg Dopka
    VAR: Victor Rivas
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Columbus Crew vs New England Revolution
    Lower.com Field (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Silviu Petrescu
    AR1: Brian Dunn
    AR2: Jeffrey Greeson
    4TH: Tori Penso
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Matthew Nelson

    Orlando City vs Philadelphia Union
    Exploria Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Alex Chilowicz
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Jason White
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Jair Marrufo
    AVAR: Jeff Muschik

    Toronto FC vs Charlotte
    BMO Field (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Filip Dujic
    AR1: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    AR2: Lyes Arfa
    4TH: Ramy Touchan
    VAR: Armando Villarreal
    AVAR: Rene Parra

    D.C. United vs CF Montréal
    Audi Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Kevin Lock
    4TH: Joshua Encarnacion
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Cameron Blanchard

    Houston Dynamo vs Minnesota United
    PNC Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Nima Saghafi
    AR1: Brian Poeschel
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Alyssa Nichols
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Jose Da Silva

    Sporting Kansas City vs Los Angeles FC
    Children’s Mercy Park (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Lukasz Szpala
    AR1: Jeremy Kieso
    AR2: Andrew Bigelow
    4TH: Matthew Conger
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Eric Weisbrod

    Real Salt Lake vs FC Dallas
    Rio Tinto Stadium (10PM ET)
    REF: Ismir Pekmic
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Tyler Wyrostek
    4TH: Matthew Corrigan
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Seattle Sounders vs Colorado Rapids
    Lumen Field (10PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Ryan Graves
    4TH: Chris Ruska
    VAR: Rosendo Mendoza
    AVAR: Claudiu Badea

    Vancouver Whitecaps vs Chicago Fire
    BC Place (10PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Chantal Boudreau
    AR2: Jeffrey Swartzel
    4TH: Alain Ruch
    VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
    AVAR: Jeremy Hanson

    Portland Timbers vs San Jose Earthquakes
    Providence Park (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Jon Freemon
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Cory Richardson
    4TH: Brad Jensen
    VAR: Geoff Gamble
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    07/24/22

    Austin FC vs New York Red Bulls
    Q2 Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AR1: Kevin Klinger
    AR2: Diego Blas
    4TH: Elton Garcia
    VAR: Victor Rivas
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    LA Galaxy vs Atlanta United
    Dignity Health Sports Park (9:30PM ET) on FS1
    REF: Marcos DeOliveira
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Ian McKay
    4TH: Calin Radosav
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You won't see it in every game, and you may not see it at all, but additional, brief water breaks in one or both halves are on the table this weekend due to a forecast potential of excessive heat in a few markets.

    The ambient temperature in Austin is predicted to still be close to 100°F at the scheduled kickoff time, for example.
     
  3. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    Oh, they had a cold front come through Austin.
     
  4. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So it’ll be a downright cool 96, then!! :D
     
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  5. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    And to think I have my first Regional fitness this weekend ... it's going to be so hot.
     
  6. drummer68

    drummer68 Member

    Sep 17, 2005
    Conger has been moved from his fourth official assignment and now has the whistle on the Salt Lake vs. Dallas match.
     
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  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That puts his debut one week earlier than planned!
     
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  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Elton Garcia replaces Conger at 4th at SKC.

    In addition,

    Rosendo Mendoza has been moved up to referee for SEAvCOL. Replacing him at VAR is Chico Grajeda.
     
  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that game will have Matthew Conger as the referee and Matthew Corrigan as the fourth. Any guesses on how often the broadcasters mess that up?
     
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  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually thought putting the two Ians together in Los Angeles tomorrow night was a bit cruel to De Oliveira.
     
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  11. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm still a fan of DeOliveira's officiating, and am psyched he got this assignment. This is a good game, and if he does well here, he may very play his way into a playoff whistle (in which case I'm sure some heads will explode).
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve been preparing my head for awhile now.
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Petrescu just had an interesting one at 71’.

    Revolution in possession inside the center circle. Crew player cleanly tackles the ball into Petrescu and ball rebounds to another Crew player. That player then makes a pass to start an attacking opportunity.

    Petrescu whistles for dropped ball. And drops it to New England. Needless to say, Columbus didn’t agree. Nor do I.

    Revolution immediately gave the ball back, so there was consensus on the field.
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dujic had a very interesting few minutes starting at 65’.

    Penalty appeal for Charlotte, not given. Immediately counterattack leads to DOGSO red at other end against Charlotte. That prompts afters that results in a few yellows. Meanwhile the tackled player from the penalty is down injured and needs treatment (and is substituted). VAR looks and check completes it. Red card stands.

    I think it’s all correct but it was a lot. Dujic did decently well in the aftermath of it but it was a lot.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #15 MassachusettsRef, Jul 23, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2022
    Also three yellow cards to Charlotte’s bench in this match. It’s taken awhile for a case like this, but feel like this is a prime example of the bad side of cards for technical staff. If there’s that much misbehavior and unprofessionalism, someone has to go. But if they are only committing “yellow card offences”…
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting restart mess for the Sounders goal. Foul (questionable call, but not my point) called on Colorado 5 or so yards into the attacking half. Ball ends up in the defensive half, helped along by Rubio to delay a restart. Seattle grabs it, places it, and takes it from there, catching the Rapids by surprise leading to a goal.

    Personally, I'm a lot less upset about the restart than my fellow Rapids fans. The team fell asleep and I have a hard time complaining about a quick restart taken that far our of position when the reason the ball was that far out of position is because the Rapids helped it there to avoid a quick start. Its not a good look for the ref's control though.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/video/goal-jordan-morris-seattle-sounders-43rd-minute
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on description, I was ready to side with you and not be that "upset." But that restart is about 20 yards from where the foul occurred (it's 17 yards by the cut of the grass and then there's an angle to take into account). And the Rapids player just moves it slightly from a point where it shouldn't be taken to a point, even further from the foul, where it also shouldn't be taken. I mean the ball is already 15 yards away from the spot of the foul before a Rapids player touches it after the whistle. Also, Mendoza is clearly walking toward the spot of the foul and then consciously decides to allow the restart from a different position when he sees Seattle could restart quickly.

    But they shouldn't be allowed to restart quickly from there. As a Rapids partisan, I'd be more upset if I were you! I don't think PRO will be defending that decision tomorrow morning and there likely will be an internal reminder about the location of restarts and how close is "close enough." 20 yards should never get you there.
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I'm just more annoyed that we fell asleep on a free kick from a non-dangerous position, regardless if it was on the correct side of the midfield stripe. And its the 4th or 5th goal we've given up this season after the 40th minute of the first half. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  19. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    My non ref view is that you probably shouldn't be letting the retake be that far away from the spot of the foul regardless of location.

    But once he clearly lets it go I assume its not something that can be reviewed by VAR?

    Kellyn Rowe picked up a 2nd yellow card early in 2nd half.

    Ball goes out for a throw and Rowe was sliding to try to prevent it. As he stands up he flicks the ball over the sign board.

    No Colorado players near the play. There was a ball on one of the stanchions near the play. I get he technically tosses the ball away. But in practice there was no delay as the Rapids were in no rush to play it quickly and there was a ball near bye they could have grabbed just as quickly as if the ball wasn't tossed over the sign board.
     
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  20. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can understand the annoyance. But part of that "falling asleep" is due to the referee purposefully walking toward the actual spot of the restart--you can see some defenders have their head/eyes turned in that direction.

    Ultimately, defenders are responsible for their own actions and have to be alert. But just as we don't tell referees to engage players verbally during a free kick unless they are going to hold the restart, we also talk about non-verbal signals like this. Mendoza's body language was demonstrating where the restart would be... until Seattle chose a different spot and Mendoza changed his mind. When you couple that with the 20 yard discrepancy, it's "not a good look" as you initially said.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. Restarts themselves aren't reviewable. This came up a few years back when a free kick was moving slightly and it led to a goal (Gantar referee in New England?). The question was whether or not the restart was part of the APP. It's not. Or, if it is, whether or not the restart was taken correctly isn't a foul/offence.

    Point of emphasis. Everyone knows this has been punished with a caution all season. Haven't seen it yet, but feels like one of those where hands of referee are tied. If he doesn't give it, it undermines the few dozen overly strict DR cautions that have been given this season.
     
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  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just saw it. Yup, point of emphasis. Agree it probably doesn't delay the actual restart, but that's not how it's been called this season and everyone knows it. That's a stone cold yellow card all year. Two of the big questions I had early on were if it would still be given later in the season and would it be given as a 2CT. Looks like the answers are "yes." Next question will be if it will be given in the playoffs.
     
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  23. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    On the free kick situation in Seattle, I think it totally should have been retaken.

    If the free kick is a backwards pass just to get the ball back in play and pass it between the center backs for a bit, that’s one thing. If that were the case, I could be ok with allowing it for the sake of keeping the game flowing and not being pedantic over things that don’t matter.

    But this free kick did matter because it led straight to an attack for Seattle. If there’s a quick free kick that can lead to a nice attack, you damn well better make sure you dot your i’s and cross your t’s for it. That applies to both the player and the referee here.

    And on the Rowe yellow, I can only laugh. Rowe’s been in the league too long to make a mistake like that. That’s a play I would expect from a summer signing who’s new to the league and not aware of this emphasis, not from a veteran like Rowe.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say Conger landed the plane in Salt Lake.

    It was very interesting watching someone who is simultaneously a league rookie and a very experienced FIFA referee who clearly knows what he's doing. I'd say it was serviceable, but choppy. He let a lot of physical play go in the first half and probably missed a couple incidents he should have dealt with. But overall he had a clear line and command of the match... until maybe he didn't. Problem is it stayed a tense affair and he didn't have the personal relationships to manage the players in a way a league veteran might. Add in a couple small things--like giving a FRD card on a free kick that should have default been ceremonial (something that was technically correct, but I think also something that no other MLS referee would have done in the exact situation) and not giving 1 or 2 DR cards--and there were parts where you could tell he was "new." It all contributed to a final 10 minutes of match play that had 7 yellow cards (and 9 overall). So it was a choppy landing, but a landing.

    Don't get me wrong. Nothing that really should reflect negatively on Conger overall or relative to his international work. But interesting seeing a new guy, with experience, thrown into a tough match in a league he doesn't know.
     
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  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But at what point can he make that call. He looks at them taking the kick and thinks (presumably) "far back but whatever, its ok". Then the pass comes in but Colorado gets in front of the player, then the player puts a through ball in and goal. Can the ref decide at that point, or even on the final pass, to go back to the free kick or has that opportunity passed?

    In the end he's lucky that the Rapids were so poor in the second half the free kick didn't matter.
     

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