News: 2022 Eastern Conference Playoff Chase

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by KCbus, Aug 13, 2022.

  1. DrunkandDisorderly

    Mar 17, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm not sure that 4 points from these next two games is even that good. These are must-win games to me. 6 points or GTFO.
     
  2. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The pundits think that Columbus needs 47 points to make the playoffs. That's 11 points from the final 24 available. Caleb ought to do something big and take advantage of this home stand to get 6 of those.

    But let's be honest - a week from now we'll be saying we need 11 points from the final 18 available and looking for Caleb to do something big and win those points from road matches. Caleb will say the team has been unlucky.
     
  3. ColumbusFTW

    ColumbusFTW Member+

    Jul 18, 2018
    The sunshine brigade would tell you that the Crew has only lost once in their last 14 matches. The only problem is that they've played a grand total of four games during that stretch against teams that are currently above the playoff line.

    Conversely, FCC has only lost once in their last 13 games, but 10 of those 13 games were against current playoff teams.

    Of the teams bunched up in that cluster between 6 and 11, I'd argue Columbus has had the second-worst form of any team, ahead of only New England.

    I think we're ********ed sadly. Too many draws against bad teams the past few months in what was a very favorable stretch of opponents. The only two surefire wins left on the schedule imo are Chicago and Charlotte.
     
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  4. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With you all the way here. I took a look at the 538 MLS Playoff Predictions page:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/mls/

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    I think that it's quite a bit more favorable than how I see things with 66% of making the post season. As I said, we've got 2 games vs Miami that has played some very good ball lately and MTL who is one of 4 or 5 top teams in the league right now. We couldn't manage to get 3 points against any of our last 3 opponents. Three of our next 4 are against playoff teams which we've beaten 1 of (2?) all season. I'd say we might need 7 points from this set. I certainly don't want to go down to needing 3 points vs RBNY on the last day of the if they're playing for a home playoff game and we're needing a win to get in at all.
     
  5. ColumbusFTW

    ColumbusFTW Member+

    Jul 18, 2018
    I don't buy their models at all anymore. For instance, in just this week's games they have the Crew with a higher win probability against Miami than against Chicago. I know Pozuelo is out on Wednesday, but there's no universe in which Miami should be regarded as the easier matchup.
     
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  6. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whoever wrote this post is an idiot and bad. Mods Stupidfaces, please ban this user.
     
  7. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Recognition is the first step.
     
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  8. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We are IN PLAYOFF POSITION, with games in hand. We control our own destiny.

    The numbers aren’t the problem. We are.
     
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  9. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Massive!!

    Oops. Force of habit.
    But you are correct. We are in control of (and will likely ruin) out own destiny.
     
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  10. Crewster

    Crewster Member+

    Jan 28, 2005
    Worthington
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Crewster point standings through Sunday:

    EAST

    Philadelphia 12
    Montreal 10
    NYC 6
    NYRB 2
    Orlando 0
    Columbus -3
    New England -5
    Miami -6
    Cincinnati -7
    Atlanta -9
    Toronto -9
    Charlotte -10
    Chicago -12
    DC -20


    WEST

    LAFC 15
    Austin 12
    Salt Lake 3
    Nashville 0
    Minnesota -1
    Dallas -2
    LA Galaxy -5
    Portland -6
    Seattle -6
    Vancouver -8
    Colorado -10
    San Jose -12
    Kansas City -13
    Houston -13
     
  11. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know i ask this every freaking year, and i'm sorry that I can't remember, but can you explain this to me... again?
     
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  12. Meddlin' Truckstop Owner

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 21, 2022

    Such blasphemy.

    How can you doubt someone who puts forth such a master class guarantee in the pre-season?

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    (Narrator: he knew in February that he might be leaving town at season's end).
     
  13. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Home teams are expected to win. So it's road points gained minus home points dropped.
     
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  14. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Sep 28, 2021
    NYC losing
    Orlando is tied

    would be great to see these results hold up
     
  15. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #40 KCbus, Aug 31, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2022
    Wednesday, 8/31

    PHI 4:1 ATL
    CLB 1:0 MIA
    MTL 0:1 NYRB
    NE 0:0 CHI
    TOR 2:2: LAG
    NYC 1:2 DC
    ORL 3:2 SEA

    Points Wins GD (Games remaining, Max Points)
    PHI 57 16 +40 (5, 72)
    MTL 49 15 +7 (6, 67)
    NYRB 47 13 +11 (5, 62)
    NYC 45 13 +16 (6, 63)
    ORL 42 12 -5 (6, 60)
    CLB 39 9 +6 (7, 60)
    MIA 36 10 -11 (6, 54)
    -------------------------------
    CIN 35 8 -3 (7, 56)
    NE 35 8 -3 (6, 53)
    TOR 34 9 -5 (5, 49)
    ATL 33 8 -6 (6, 51)
    CHA 32 10 -10 (6, 50)
    CHI 31 8 -10 (6, 49)
    DC 25 7 -27 (6, 43)

    DC left the spoon at home for a night and beat NYC. Surprise, surprise. That allows the Red Bulls to move up.

    Philly is the first team in the East to clinch.

    Our win over Miami gives us a three-point lead with a game in hand. Wins tiebreaker doesn't help us, so that edge is important.

    Toronto drops 2 points at home. That hurts them, as they only have 5 matches left.

    Orlando came from two down to beat Seattle in stoppage time. Yikes. Not good for us, but also, what the hell has happened to Seattle?
     
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  16. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Toronto is out. They basically need to win out and get help just to have a chance.

    I think it’s down to NE and Cincy, more than likely Cincy.
     
  17. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are only 5 teams with positive goal difference in the east. Philly at +40 has the same goal difference as the other 4 teams combined. They are a scoring machine lately.
     
  18. west ham sandwich

    Feb 26, 2007
    C-bus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the point is to even out scheduling differences?

    i.e. if a team is higher in the standings, but has had more home games, that might not be indicative of how well they are actually doing?
     
  19. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    I think it's more that the teams with positive scores can win on the road as well as at home. The Crew in 2020 wasn't good on the road so we had a mediocre score in the Crewster standings.
     
  20. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's hard to remember that the Crew are actually the second best defensive team in MLS, with only 31 GA.

    Philly has TEN LESS THAN THAT.

    In a parity league like MLS, for a team to be that good defensively, you would think it would be because a style that sucks the life out of games and they wouldn't score that much themselves. They're +40. Yikes.

    Although this certainly helps:


    2019's LAFC team set the MLS record with +48. Philly is +40 with five games left. It could happen.
     
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  21. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can’t go so far as to say they’re “out” yet. They have the tallest order, because they have the fewest number of games left, but they’re only two points below the line. Not to mention, they might be playing the best soccer of any of the teams in that little cluster.

    You’re PROBABLY right, but I’m skittish about breaking out the shovels yet.
     
  22. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm doing this out of obligation -- not enthusiasm.

    Saturday, 9/3
    CLB 0:0 CHI
    NYRB 0:2 PHI
    CIN 2:0 CHA


    Points Wins GD (Games remaining, Max Points)
    PHI 60 17 +42 (4, 72)
    MTL 49 15 +7 (6, 67)
    NYRB 47 13 +9 (4, 59)
    NYC 45 13 +16 (6, 63)
    ORL 42 12 -5 (6, 60)
    CLB 40 9 +6 (6, 58)
    CIN 38 9 -1 (6, 56)
    -------------------------------
    MIA 36 10 -11 (6, 54)
    NE 35 8 -3 (6, 53)
    TOR 34 9 -5 (5, 49)
    ATL 33 8 -6 (6, 51)
    CHA 32 10 -10 (6, 50)
    CHI 32 8 -10 (5, 47)
    DC 25 7 -27 (6, 43)

    The biggest news from today's games is probably Cincinnati jumping back into playoff position. That's significant, as most of the teams in that giant cluster finally have the same number of matches played.

    Philly with another +2 on GD. They're eyeballing the record.

    NYRB lost. They only have four matches left, while everyone they should be interested in all have six. They're currently third, but could fall down a couple spots easily.
     
  23. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s certainly accurate to call the mass of clubs hovering around the playoff demarcation line a “giant cluster.”
     
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  24. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sunday, 9/4
    POR 2:1 ATL
    DC 0:0 COL
    TOR 3:4 MTL
    NE 3:0 NYC



    Points Wins GD (Games remaining, Max Points)
    PHI 60 17 +42 (4, 72)
    MTL 52 16 +8 (5, 67)
    NYRB 47 13 +9 (4, 59)
    NYC 45 13 +13 (5, 60)
    ORL 42 12 -5 (6, 60)
    CLB 40 9 +6 (6, 58)
    NE 38 9 0 (5, 53)
    -------------------------------
    CIN 38 9 -1 (6, 56)
    MIA 36 10 -11 (6, 54)
    TOR 34 9 -6 (4, 46)
    ATL 33 8 -7 (5, 48)
    CHA 32 10 -10 (6, 50)
    CHI 32 8 -10 (5, 47)
    DC 26 7 -27 (5, 41)

    Still no eliminations, but DC is on the brink. Atlanta and Toronto don't have the fork stuck in them yet, but definitely have the fork handy.

    New England just seems to refuse to die. While NYC seems quite willing to keep doing nothing.
     
  25. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would mean there's four spots below the line and six above. Because we're currently above, I think we're getting in, but there won't be any breathing room. We dropped some absolutely critical points last week.
     

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