2022-23 Hot Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Collegewhispers, May 18, 2022.

  1. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Is there a downside or upside to using a search firm for women's soccer hires? The upside would be if you have an administration that doesn't know anything about women's soccer (and that has to be a quite a few out there) then you can hire a search firm that would be more in the know to form a candidate pool. That's a good way to handle that if in theory the search firm knows what they're doing. Pay some $ for a firm to help with the search. On the other hand, is there a downside? Does the search firm truly have a good feel on this, and is there an advantage for using and paying for a firm?

    SuperSoccer said NAU is using a firm, which is Athletics Staffing and Consulting. Richmond is also using a firm, different one than NAU. Wonder if it helps anymore rather than an athletic administration directly doing the work on their own and their networks to make a good candidate pool and eventual smart final decision.
     
  2. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    I would suggest that any effort to expand the pool of qualified applicants is a good idea. Esp if you are on a timeline or perhaps haven't been successful, are in a rural area, maybe don't have good "soccer people" on staff. Some schools don't have men's soccer staff or alumni to be on committees for example.
    Answer - could be many reasons it's helpful.
    A good search firm will knock on doors that committee folks might not and do it quickly and discreetly. Lots of coaches don't even think about leaving or are looking at the market until they get that call.

    Example - search firm found a great coach for a kinda niche sport that was at an NAIA school half way across the country. Turns out they were from our area originally. Committee folks would have never found this candidate.

    You would think these soccer jobs get tons of applicants but these days, I can say first hand, the applicant pools are nothing like they were before the pandemic. There are several reasons for that trend I imagine.
     
  3. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    There were 198 D1 programs in 2004 according to the RPI archives.
    The current number is 205.
     
  4. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Several schools have moved recently, not necessarily brand new programs.

    St. Thomas, Southern Indiana, Lindenwood, Bellarmine, Queens, Merrimack, Stonehill, and Utah Tech (Dixie State) all come to mind in the last 2ish years.
     
  5. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    (sigh)
    Nevertheless, there were 198 coaching positions in 2004 and all the men’s soccer coaches were male.

    now there are 205 men’s soccer coaching positions and all the coaching positions are filled by males.

    That’s a net gain of 7 positions. All positions are filled by males. It’s not hard maths. Most college graduates would get it.

    There are still no female head coaches in D1 mens soccer.
     
  6. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    #556 SpeakeroftheHouse, Nov 21, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2022
    Again. You’re missing an important piece of this puzzle. There is a shortage of female coaches on the women’s side. What makes you think any females want to coach on the men’s side? Maybe there are some, but that’s a giant assumption you’re making. We had an opening on the men’s side years back and not a single female applied for the job. So while I get that you’re implying since there are no women coaches in D1 on the men’s side, most, if not all of the coaches on the women’s side should be women, I’m not sure you could fill every women’s position with a female if you tried. Maybe you could, but I don’t think it would be easy.

    Something else to consider. What is the breakdown of AC positions by gender? Without that info and without a breakdown of who has applied for each job, it is pointless for people to argue.
     
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  7. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In these discussions, very rarely does anyone on these boards believe anyone hired is good enough. That’s what has basically been inferred through the years of reading and posting.

    Every job should have world class coaches hired and applying. Every job should meet every criteria that each poster has made-up in their minds.

    If only more of these posters were on search committees or university ADs, every program would be undefeated and setup to win national championships every year.
     
  8. Footyballs

    Footyballs Member

    Barcelona
    United States Virgin Islands
    Dec 19, 2018

    Why would a female want to coach Men's D1 soccer? Men are assholes, we are. Thick headed, stubborn, argumentative, prideful. Hell, I can barely put up with myself let alone 30 MF's. Coaching women at least they listened once in a damn while and let you coach them. Thus why tolerable. Female would have to be cray cray to tolerate the flack men's D1 players and ego's would throw at her. Maybe someday.

    Side Ish: Roberts at SIU word on the street he's getting re-instated. ULM coach says he's deciding to resign or not, family doesn't like the area, so we'll see. And applicants for women's D1 jobs, the five I've been privy to knowing applicant pool for recently has about 85 percent male applicants. One of them, out of 225 applicants, only 36 females applied, and of those., none had D1 head coaching experience, not one. But males, about three dozen had D1 head experience. The female applicants, JC coaches, a handful of D2 head coaches, and then second assistants for D1 level. Nobody with experience. So who did they hire? You guessed it, a female. Lol. Oh well, she was there four years then pushed out. Happy Turkey Day soon
     
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  9. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    which job was that?
     
  10. Fitballer

    Fitballer Member

    Mar 6, 2015
    To be fair....the only way these women are going to get d1 head coaching experience is for someone to hire them in the first place. The reason the men have had d1 experience is because someone hired them, and the first time they were hired to be a head coach they also had no head coaching experience as a d1 coach.
     
  11. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    Let’s be honest. Most people are hired (male or female) because of connections they have. All the time you see someone make the jump from D3 to D1 or D2 to D1 or 2nd Asst to a good head job. It’s more who you know than gender and/or experience. It’s that way in other professions as well. People like to work with those they are comfortable with. Not saying it is good or bad. Just reality.
     
  12. Fitballer

    Fitballer Member

    Mar 6, 2015
    Full
    Fully agree with all that but when Footyballs is saying that the women had no experience and the men did, I was pointing out that the only way they got experience was someone taking a chance on them. You haave to be given an opportunity to gain experience as a d1 head coach in order to have said experience.
     
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  13. IHearThings

    IHearThings New Member

    Fulham
    United States
    Nov 8, 2021
  14. Footyballs

    Footyballs Member

    Barcelona
    United States Virgin Islands
    Dec 19, 2018
    Well at least they didn't promote their assistants to head coach again for the third/fourth time in a row. Break the cycle, start fresh, see what she can do.
     
  15. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OPEN:
    UMBC (10/17)
    Jacksonville State (10/24)
    Richmond (10/27)
    Toledo (10/28)
    Coastal Carolina (10/28)
    Troy (10/31)
    Abilene Christian (10/31)
    UTEP (11/1)
    St. Bonaventure (11/1)
    Dartmouth (11/6)
    Belmont (11/11)
    Cincinnati (11/14)
    Northern Arizona (10/7 - admin leave; 11/18 - posted)
    Chicago State (7/1 - interim)
    UIW (8/1 - interim)
    South Carolina State (9/24 - interim)


    FILLED:
    Delaware - Kelly Lawrence (Penn State assistant; 10/24-11/14)
    Tulsa - Jim Rhein (Tulsa interim for 2 years!)
    Nevada - Vanessa Valentine (Cal assistant;11/7-11/22)

    Questions:
    Southern Illinois (10/18 - admin leave)
     
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  16. ilikecollegesoccer

    ilikecollegesoccer New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 1, 2022
    The Louisiana Monroe position is now posted on indeed so I guess we can say thats open?
     
  17. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OPEN:
    UMBC (10/17)
    Jacksonville State (10/24)
    Richmond (10/27)
    Toledo (10/28)
    Coastal Carolina (10/28)
    Troy (10/31)
    Abilene Christian (10/31)
    UTEP (11/1)
    St. Bonaventure (11/1)
    Dartmouth (11/6)
    Belmont (11/11)
    Cincinnati (11/14)
    Northern Arizona (10/7 - admin leave; 11/18 - posted)
    Louisiana Monroe (11/22)
    Chicago State (7/1 - interim)
    UIW (8/1 - interim)
    South Carolina State (9/24 - interim)


    FILLED:
    Delaware - Kelly Lawrence (Penn State assistant; 10/24-11/14)
    Tulsa - Jim Rhein (Tulsa interim for 2 years!)
    Nevada - Vanessa Valentine (Cal assistant;11/7-11/22)

    Questions:
    Southern Illinois (10/18 - admin leave)
     
  18. CASLKING

    CASLKING Member

    Houston dash
    United States
    May 20, 2018
    I wonder why he left - seemed program was moving in the right direction, doubt they will get anyone as good to take that team.
     
  19. SAS_Soccer

    SAS_Soccer Member

    Everton FC
    United States
    Nov 17, 2021
    He didn’t leave he was fired. A lot of players went to the AD about him, but many people on here will tell you Fraser got the karma he deserved.
     
  20. ilikecollegesoccer

    ilikecollegesoccer New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 1, 2022
    can we stop with the discreetness in this anonymous blog chat. What karma? What did he do?
     
  21. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He resigned. Was offered an extension, but rejected it. It’s not hard to see that there’s not tons of positives going on at ULM in the whole athletic department.

    Do you think they’d want to pay a coach who’s done more than any other program in just a short amount of time? Nope. Especially when they’re paying a HUGE contract to football and getting nothing in return.
     
  22. SAS_Soccer

    SAS_Soccer Member

    Everton FC
    United States
    Nov 17, 2021
    He was forced to resign otherwise he would have been fired. He was suspended by ULM administration for the last 3 or 4 games of the season. He was never offered an extension.
     
  23. SnapperG

    SnapperG New Member

    Manchester City
    Brazil
    Dec 28, 2018

    I can confirm this. Saw the extension paperwork (as did others I believe)
     
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  24. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No forced resignation. Extension was offered. Quit with the lies. It’s obvious you have an ax to grind.

    Did you lose the job to him? How many times did his team beat yours? There’s more people on here who care about ULM soccer in the last three years than anyone at the school has cared since the program started. Weird.
     
  25. Cantcoach

    Cantcoach Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Dec 29, 2017
    Correct he was forced to resign according to others in the conference. I was also told by another coach in that conference that the administration suspended him and he wasn’t around for the last games.
     

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