A thread for the 2022-23 CONCACAF season including Champions League, Nations League, and other competitions that don't have their own thread/forum.
2022-23 Nations League is underway with it being used for 2023 Gold Cup qualification. League A Suriname : Jamaica - Brown (HON) Jamaica : Suriname - Elfath (USA) Panama : Costa Rica - Hernandez (MEX) Costa Rica : Martinique - Lopez (GUA) Curacao : Honduras - Parchment (JAM) Honduras : Curacao - Calderon (CRC) El Salvador : Grenada - Santander (MEX) Grenada : El Salvador - Gonzalez (MEX) Other PRO crews League C US Virgin Islands : Turks and Caicos Islands - Simon (USA) British Virgin Islands : Cayman Islands - Saghafi (USA) Cayman Islands : British Virgin Islands - Vazquez (USA)
It's a first in CONCACAF, right? Of course, in UEFA, Frappart, Monzul, and Martincic have refereed men's WC qualifiers.
Well, this was in the CONCACAF thread. I am not certain if it is the the first or not. But I am certain someone will know! PH
I know this isn’t technically a CONCACAF match, but those new Adidas kits being worn in the USMNT match are not good. Those back straps look like something you’d use to drag someone away.
Wouldn’t that be nice! But there is apparently precedent for voiding the game, so it would not benefit FIFA rankings. I don’t recall the formula, but I doubt there are that many points from a tie in a home friendly. But it sure seems to make the ref team look bad—it just seems a really hard mistake to make with a 4O. (In a “real” game I would expect the US to be aware and object, but I wouldn’t imagine they really cared today as it was just a friendly.)
There are two more peculiar qualities to this appointment. The first is that it's an American officiating... Americans. That's not often seen either (though CONCACAF has done this several times before). The other is that it's a referee who has not refereed in her nation's professional men's first division officiating a men's international. It actually just dawned on me that the "gender-neutral" aspect of the FIFA list has opened up a backdoor to the requirement that an official must have officiated in their domestic top division for two years before getting their badge. Simon fulfils that requirement via her officiating work in NWSL, not MLS. It actually was already surprising to me that Simon would get this honor ahead of Penso, but the technical loophole is not something I had even considered until now.
Yamashita has refereed a men's AFC Champions League group stage match (and is, as we all know, a men's WC referee) even though domestically she is only refereeing men's third division matches. I believe she hasn't done a men's first-team international (though did an AFC U23 qualifying match last year).
It's a huge loophole, isn't it? I can't believe I hadn't considered it before. All the focus has been on the idea that women need to pass the men's fitness test to do men's game, which makes sense. But the big "quality-control" threshold to the list has been--for 30 years, at this point--the requirement that you have two years in your top division. But that requirement isn't being enforced for women. I'm sorry, but the idea someone who is only doing third-division Japanese league matches might referee a World Cup game should be insulting to almost anyone involved in elite refereeing. But here we are...
That was what I was initially curious about. What men's internationals have been refereed by females in CONCACAF previously? PH
So, I looked last night because I had sworn Penso had done a Nations League match before, but couldn't find it. Which is why I made the comment I did about Simon getting "the honor." But I dug further this morning and realize now it was a WCQ. Tori Penso did Puerto Rico-Bahamas (Americans, again!) in June of 2021. I think that's the only other instance of a full international in CONCACAF and the rest would be youth and possibly club matches.
Ricardo Montero gave a correct red card in his game, Dominican Republic vs. French Guyana: https://v.fodder.gg/v/2vkkt8
Agree. The delay on Montero's foul call was long enough to stand out to me, too. I understand that anything below League A in CONCACAF, unlike UEFA, is pretty 'exotic', but given I expected Montero to attend WC 2022 early in the cycle, what a fall for him to now fulfill such matches while Calderón / K. Herrera get their chances...
Also, has anyone been notified about this before? XD https://www.concacaf.com/news/concacaf-to-debut-direct-red-card-appeals-system-in-2022-competitions/
Certainly CONCACAF will be able to manage such a program in a thoughtful way immune from political considerations. Seriously though, the announcement makes no indication at all about where "Independent Panel" members are coming from. Referees? Retired coaches? CONCACAF administrators? I also hate the language used, which is specific about rescinding the red card rather than about removing the suspension. I guess we've abandoned that concept, which I thought was the original linchpin on why these post-game reviews of red cards could be made.
It’s not a big deal. You don’t need to rescind red cards when your referees just don’t give them, anyway.