2022-23 - Arsenal Players on Loan

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  1. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Isn’t he a deeper player? Either way, he’s playing a lot of minutes in a brown man league. Should help him a lot
     
  2. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
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  3. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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  4. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Balogun with another goal today. He now has more goals in Ligue 1 (7) than Messi (6) and just three fewer than Mbappe’s Ligue 1 leading 10.
     
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  5. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Apparently he was 11 for 27 passing in this match.
     
  6. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I saw that too. Somewhat out of character for reports about his relative strengths and weaknesses.
     
  7. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s not necessarily out of character, more an indication that he still needs a lot of development. It’s pretty common for young players who are considered to have vision and passing as a strength to give the ball away a ton. They need games against men to learn to speed up their processing on the passes they see before trying them.
     
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  8. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I heard he got MOTM. Presumably they rate higher goals and assists, than they do completed passes.
     
  9. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    He also had 3 tackles, 4 interceptions, 2 clearances, and 1 blocked shot. Those numbers get you points in whoscored.com’s ratings too.
     
  10. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I didn’t expand earlier, but including your scenario, there are any number of possible explanations, but without watching the game it’s impossible to determine why his passing percentage was so low. It may be related to how Blackpool play. As a team they complete 70 percent of their passes and average 42 percent possession. So they aren’t a possession based team, they are probably very direct, which can influence pass completion percentages. This pattern was repeated in the game in question, where they averaged 42 percent possession and Petino’s 28 attempted passes was joint second most, just three short of the most attempted passes by a Blackpool player. Having won the game 4-2 on 42 percent possession, it’s possible they were pressed and broke the press often enough to win the game. If they were pressed, did that affect Petino’s accuracy, or were his targets too passive allowing the defenders to step in front of them.

    Unless someone has a tape of the game, it’s all speculation, but it’s not all bad news, Petino is completing 71 percent of his passes on the season.
     
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  11. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    If he's making Elneny backwards/sideways passes all game and only completes 11 of 27, that's awful. If he's playing mostly thru-balls and crosses that, if they connect, lead directly to shots on goal, then it's not so bad.
     
  12. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think he plays more of an 8 at Blackpool right?
     
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  13. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
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    in case anyone is curious:



    he's playing pretty close to what we're expecting from xhaka, maybe a tad deeper (in our standard preferred formation). the goal looked well struck and the assist was real nice. a lot of the missed passes looked like speculative passes and/or clearances. the elneny/denilson passes looked mostly well done. some touches were loose/sloppy. best thing, for me, is it looks like he's battling physically.

    a lot of it probably comes down to learning timing of teammates and against grown-up competition.
     
  14. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of those were passes inside or into the final 3rd. I don't know the exact definition of a "key pass" but most would seem to fit that definition whether real or potential. Also, it seemed a lot of those passes were perfectly placed, but the Blackpool teammates waited for the ball instead of coming to it. That's not Patino's fault.

    I went in skeptical, but came out reasonably pleased.
     
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  15. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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    it's hard, too, because a lot of incisive passes require you to know how your teammates react. i'd imagine a lot more of those will work out better around the end of the season with more playing time together.
     
  16. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A key pass is one which results in a shot by the recipient.
     
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  17. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    Arsenal FC
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  18. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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    it's no butt-goal but props to trusty regardless. :D
     
  19. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I like the celebration roll, but from that clip I can’t tell if it was intentional
     
  20. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...or a Gallas wiener goal.
    :D
     
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  21. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    that one's tops. :D
     
  22. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    it wasn't intentional, lol
     
  23. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Which was that one? I remember Eboue for the Ivory Coast scored a cock goal when running down a goal kick...
     
  24. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Trusty doing well by all accounts

    might become a useful squad player, maybe take holdings position?
     
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  25. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doing much better than expected. Would like to see him get one more loan to a lower half EPL or maybe even a top 10 France/Germany/Spain to see if he continues to impress.
     

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