2021 U17 World Cup Cycle

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by David Kerr, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. DeweyEvans

    DeweyEvans New Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    MLS clubs turned down invitations for players to participate without telling the players (at least in some cases).
     
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  2. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Is there a way to find out which players were offered invitations?
     
  3. Jack0503

    Jack0503 Member

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 24, 2018
    That would be quite disappointing if it turns out to be true, if they don’t let the boys go at least tell them
     
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  4. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    I know redbulls did not tell Kenan Hot if he wasn't released or not. They also called up Dantouma Toure so Hot just may have been snubbed for the roster.
     
  5. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    My current lineup for this age group is
    Slonina
    Reynolds-Craig-Leone-Clarke
    Hot-Pukstas
    Rotundo
    Sullivan-Yapi (or Sanogo)-Torres
     
  6. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    So is the standard practice that if a club declines a release, it then informs the player that it did so and (perhaps) explains why? Does U.S. Soccer also reach out to the player? Do the clubs and/or U.S. Soccer typically request discretion in such cases?
     
  7. Arantes

    Arantes Member

    Fluminense
    Brazil
    Dec 4, 2018
    It's not standard practice; however, it's a courtesy to be expected from the club nonetheless. US Soccer should never reach out to the player directly without the club authorizing it [unwritten rule]; there are some exceptions to this: player is unattached, player is older (or close to 18 years of age), player is in a foreign league and US Soccer needs point of contact, etc.
     
  8. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    New roster is announced and there are tons of new faces as it looks like this camp is meant to evaluate the pool. There are a lot of players excluded who are at GA Cup.

    Notable Inclusions: Antonio Leone (!!!), Darren Yapi, Gabe Slonina, Jeff Dewsnup, Zac Booth, Fede Oliva, Aethan Yohannes, Victor Valdez, Kaile Auvray, and Evan Rotundo

    Notable exclusions: Nati Clarke, Kenan Hot, Brandan Craig, Allan Ridriguez, Justin Reynolds, Austin Brummett, Quinn Sullivan, Rafael Jaregui, Leo Torres, Malik Sanogo, John-Carlos Cortez, Cooper Flax, Osvaldo Cisneros, Christian Torres, and Nigel Prince
     
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  9. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #84 Dave Marino-Nachison, Feb 13, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2020
    Full roster, all '04s:

    GOALKEEPERS (2): Jeffrey Dewsnup (Real Salt Lake; Herriman, Utah), Gabriel Slonina (Chicago Fire; Addison, Ill.)

    DEFENDERS (8): Logan Batiste (Inter Miami CF; Greenacres, Fla.), Kobi Henry (Inter Miami CF; Miami, Fla.), Samuel Jones (Philadelphia Union; Portsmouth, Va.), Antonio Leone (LAFC; Long Beach, Calif.), Efrain Morales (Atlanta United FC; Atlanta, Ga.), Devan Tanton (UE Cornella/ESP; Barcelona, Spain), Caleb Wiley (Atlanta United FC; Atlanta, Ga.), Thomas Williams (Orlando City SC; Titusville, Fla.)

    MIDFIELDERS (5): Juan Alvarez (Seattle Sounders FC; Tukwila, Wash.), Eric Ayala (Tijuana/MEX; San Diego, Calif.), Zach Booth (Real Salt Lake; Eden, Utah), Victor Valdez (LA Galaxy; Santa Ana, Calif.), Aethan Yohannes (AZ Alkmaar/NED; Springfield, Va.)

    FORWARDS (5): Kaile Auvray (Lille/FRA; Kansas City, Kan.), Federico Oliva (Atletico Madrid/ESP; Madrid, Spain), Evan Rotundo (San Diego Surf; La Mesa, Calif.), Dantouma Toure (New York Red Bulls; Trenton, N.J.), Darren Yapi (Colorado Rapids; Denver, Colo.)​

    https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/20...cle-at-uefa-development-tournament-in-england

    By the way, I'll be tracking callups and a few other details here:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a3vgwj19yp3KgCTIQ9gfBUaOfJ3IMCSigjcnv-hY-6U/edit?usp=sharing

    Anyone know if anybody on the latest list already has a confirmed pro contract, apart from Slonina?
     
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  10. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    The only MLS academy field player that is truly a lock to make a full strength team is Antonio Leone...who is only here because we're trying to retain his loyalty after he was just in a Mexico camp. This was a camp to expand the pool not bring the best players together.
     
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  11. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The call-up of California-born Eric Ayala looks to be a complete flyer; he's played just 79 minutes in 5 appearances for Tijuana U15s. I'm guessing he's a #8.
     
  12. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Slonina is the only one. Yapi, Leone, Booth, Dewsnup, Toure, and Valdez are all locks to get pro contracts at some point before they turn 18. Toure and Valdez are both questionable of if they get pro contract offers before the u17 world cup rolls around but they will get a pro offer before they turn 18. Rotundo getting an offer somewhere is dependent on him bulking up.
     
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  13. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Time to sticky this thread and remove the 2019 U17 thread.
     
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  14. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps a throwback to the days when Thomas Rongen would call up all manner of totally random Liga MX-based players to the U20s.

    What are Julio Cesar Castillo, Roberto Romero, and Cristian Flores up to these days, anyway?
     
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  15. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Does anyone care to share the MLS academies that refused to release players? I know one. SKC. Guess I’ll be hoping they play poorly this weekend.
     
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  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    The exceptions notwithstanding, this seems logical enough, though I wonder whether you'd mind clarifying whether you mean that you personally would expect this or that you know from experience/conversation with relevant parties that this is in fact a common courtesy.

    In a social media age in particular, I find it rather surprising that we don't know far more about callup refusals than we seem to via statements from players or their family/friends/agents/whatever. (Understanding that there are reasons why this might be a touchy issue, I might like for people to know I was called up to a YNT camp, even if I couldn't go.) Do teams typically request discretion in these cases?
     
  17. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    The majority most likely did. The guys who did get released from MLS academies are either brand new call ups (most of them), guys who were called up super early and now getting another shot (Toure and Booth), keepers (Slonina and Dewsnup) or guys who are red flag dual nats (Leone). Every other MLS academy player who is a lock for this age group is at GA Cup (read snub list from earlier).
     
  18. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    The big things to hope for from this group is Darren Yapi to claim the 9 and an elite RB and LB to emerge because I’m not sold on anyone. Nati Clarke can cover as a left back but I’d much rather have him as the 5.
     
  19. watke

    watke Member

    United States
    May 9, 2019
    As @ussoccer97531 has mentioned elsewhere, Williams is a quite raw CB whose defending/decision making can be at times unsteady. That said I clipped some of his better moments to try to get a sense of him and here they are https://streamable.com/y7fck
     
  20. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    We have to get some of these players out of the team. Players such as Tanton, Yohannes, Valdez, even Slonina have become retreads that have gotten their chance, and haven't shown well enough. Booth and Alvarez don't belong either, IMO, although they are newer names to this group.

    Good to get some newer players in there. I think Dewsnup, Williams, Morales, Jones are all good enough to have earned a chance to stake their claim for this team.

    I know nothing about Batiste, Henry, Wiley, Ayala, Auvray, so if these games are streamed, l'll be interesting to see how they play.
     
  21. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    I would say that Slonina has done well when he's been in a ynt shirt. At the 2003's Nike Friendlies I thought he did really well in goal.
     
  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I thought he’s struggled some for this age group in international tournaments. I agree that he wasn’t bad at the Nike Friendlies. I don’t think he’s a bad prospect, but I’m not sure he’s earned the reputation that he has. As I see it, he’s clearly behind Dewsnup and Brady (his club teammate), and then he’s somewhere in the mix after that. It’s a good age group at the position, so likely being third best isn’t bad, but third best is third best. I don’t see why he’s here and his better club teammate isn’t.

    I think the early pro contract has distorted how he’s viewed. Also, I don’t think Chicago gave him that contract because they thought he was anywhere near pro ready. I think he got it because he was about to leave for Europe, if he didn’t get it. I don’t have exact confirmation that he gave them a pro-contract or he’ll leave for Europe ultimatum, but I do know that he had interest in Europe and I was told at the time that it was very likely that he’d be leaving Chicago to sign in Europe.
     
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  23. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
     
  24. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Whoever is coaching youth keepers in Chicago is phenomenal. One can argue about a particular keeper, but they all are complete, technically solid players.
     
  25. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm pretty sure Rapids U17 GK Isaac Nehme is a late addition to the US U17 roster. He's been with the US U15s in the past. I'm not yet sure if they're carrying all three of him, Dewsnup, Slonina or if one of the latter two couldn't make it.
     

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