2021 NWSL College Draft

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  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Considering we just had a big trade today involving a draft pick, I think it's worth opening this thread.

    The biggest question coming into the 2021 draft is:
    What the heck will the default draft order be considering we didn't have a regular season this past year?

    We can expect that LOU will default to the first position in each round as the expansion team, but after that things get very murky. In their trade announcement press release, LOU mention this tidbit:
    I don't recall if CHI's 2021 first-round pick was still their own or if had been through another trade already, but it sounds like NWSL does have an order established already. If the fifth default is naturally CHI's, then I guess they're using the Fall Series table to determine things, because that's the only table I can find that puts three teams below CHI but "above" the expansion LOU.

    Anyone remember what 2021 draft picks have already been traded before today?
     
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  2. tiaotnszn

    tiaotnszn Member

    Chicago Red Stars
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    I think Chicago has three more firsts from previous trades. And if it is the Fall Series standings for the draft order, then I think Chicago still has #2, #3, & #4 lol. Rory does it again. Now does Louisville give up Macario for the three next best players in the draft?
    https://thestudyofsports.com/nwsl/nwsldraft21.html
     
  3. liesse00

    liesse00 Member

    Jan 17, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t see how the league can have a draft in January given that only a few conferences are playing right now. All the other conferences are due back in the spring. The College Cup is scheduled for May, so they might have to wait until then. Or they could hold the draft in March or April while the schools are playing but I’m not sure that’s even allowed. I’ve never seen a college draft happen while the schools are playing. Or they could hold the draft during the NWSL regular season if it starts at its usual time in 2021, but that would be weird to me too. There’s also the eligibility situation to consider. All seniors can return to school next season if they want, though I’m not how many players will take advantage of that.
     
  4. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Any senior who wants to enter the draft can do so by simply hiring an agent, thus becoming NCAA ineligible.
     
  5. tiaotnszn

    tiaotnszn Member

    Chicago Red Stars
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    The draft can happen during the NCAA season. It happens in baseball all the time that players are still playing in the playoffs when they are drafted, often literally while they are in the game. And even when they are drafted, they can go back for another year if they don't sign. Also hockey players are drafted and then still allowed to go to school.

    The two big things are agents and actually signing the contract. The agent thing should be a non-issue. They can do like other sports and have the agent be an "adviser" until they actually sign. The NCAA is in a very athlete friendly mood recently, so I doubt they would try to cause any issues. And the NWSL is nimble enough that they can allow the players in different seasons to sign at different times.

    If I were the NWSL, the things I would be worrying about are not having even info on all the players because of the different seasons and not knowing how many players will stay to use the extra year or how many players will leave before their senior year.

    If teams aren't worried about roster depth, it might not be a bad idea to move the draft back. If they are, though, I wonder if two drafts might be the best idea. Have one at the normal time for players who know they want to turn pro and then have one after the spring semester when the college season is over for any players who wanted to finish our their year. Have the draft be like the NFL supplemental draft where if they take a pick in the first draft, they give that pick up for the second. The strategy and likely trading going on with that could definitely draw more attention to the draft. Do teams play if safe with the player they know they can get in the winter, or wait for the player they think they might get in the spring? I could see every fanbase have endless debates over what to do, which would only help keep them invested in the NWSL.
     
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  6. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #6 Cliveworshipper, Oct 27, 2020
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2020
    There is a whole NCAA website on eligibility and agents.
    http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/agents-and-amateurism

    The one for baseball includes this FAQ.

    https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/enforcement/2019ENF_MLBEducationalMemo.pdf
    it includes the specific info in question Seven “ can I hire an agent?”



    there was a landmark ruling on this point a few years ago in an Ohio case involving Oklahoma player Andy Oliver where a judge wrote in his opinion that the NCAA , as a private business association, could not constitutionally prohibit any player from seeking legal council under any circumstance, rather than have that go to a jury and become law, the ncaa paid Oliver three quarters of a million dollars to drop the suit.

    the lesson? Don’t mess with lawyers rights to have clients. There is no stronger lobby.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/sports/baseball/24advisers.html?referringSource=articleShare

    the NYT a gives this history.
    so if you hire an attorney who also acts as an agent, the NCAA could likely not constitutionally prohibit that, but that doesn’t mean the NCAA allows it. The ruling only applied to baseball and I think only in OHIO where Oliver was from and hasn’t been tested in other sports. But it is still the case that if you hire and agent AND ask to be placed in a draft Or an agent (not a lawrer) talks to anyone, you are ineligible for further ncaa play, in any sport.


    The idea that the ncaa has gone soft on agent policy is nonsense.their response to the court decision was to lobby for uniform restriction on agents in all states in a proposed bill called the Uniform Athletes Agent Act, the proposed sample of which prohibits hiring agents.
    until then, they hold over any player that can be held ineligible while still trying to keep a new case out of the courts, which as the law now stands, the NCAA would likely loose. And again, they can’t use an agent to negotiate with the team before rejecting the draft offer)

    Some sports don’t ask players if they want to be drafted, so the ncaa can’t punish a player who is drafted, but the player only has a very limited time to reject the draft offer. Those sports include MLB, NBA, and NFL drafts.( MAybe hockey, but that sport has specific rules on having an agent before college)

    The last I saw, the NWSL has different rules. They will not draft any player who doesn’t ask to be placed in the draft or whose eligibility still exists, so seniors have to repudiate any remaining eligibility by asking to be place in the draft, and hiring an agent will also end elegibility.
     
  7. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Ah okay, so CHI had picks from ORL, RGN, and UTA already... That means the #5 pick could be based on the 2019 standings, since that would be UTA's natural pick. I guess we'll have to wait for the college draft rules to be published publicly to be sure.
     
  8. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Relevant to the college season issues:
    1320752721620848641 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Hmm... curiouser and curiouser
    https://equalizersoccer.com/2020/10...to-mccaskill-dames-whisler-reaction-analysis/
     
  10. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Quick question, now that Macario has American citizenship. Could she opt to play in Europe, or to be eligible for the USWNT, she has to play in NWSL?
     
  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think the USWNT CBA involves some requirement to play in NWSL, but not an "every year" sort of thing. So I don't think she has to declare for NWSL to still be in the USWNT picture. Heck, remember Horan?
     
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  12. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    There are also the fifa rules on national team eligibility. Which have recently changed.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevep...up-hopes-for-one-cap-wonders/?sh=1048f12d511e

    she moved to San Diego with her father at age 12 (2011)


    So it appears she is not required to be a resident for five years after age 18, as was the case when she started on her path to the national team.
     
  13. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I understand the need for general rules and the spirit in which these rules were written. But in her case, it is obvious that she should be able to play for the US. Her move to the US was not motivated by soccer-related financial benefits. Fifa should rule on a case by case basis.
     
  14. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    Haha.
    Are your pockets deep enough to pony up the required vigorish?
     
  15. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    https://www.nwslsoccer.com/news/art...lection-order-for-the-renamed-2021-nwsl-draft
    Default order is based on the Challenge Cup pool play, with LOU being granted 1st in the order and ORL granted 4th, making the default:
    LOU / POR / SKY / ORL / CHI / UTA / HOU / RGN / DC / NC

    The League has also made the current draft order public, though their summary of trades to date is quite lacking. X-D
    https://www.nwslsoccer.com/nwsldraft
    R1 - LOU / DC / SKY / CHI / LOU / CHI / HOU / CHI / DC / NC
    R2 - LOU / POR / SKY / ORL / UTA / UTA / UTA / ORL / DC / NC
    R3 - LOU / POR / SKY / ORL / CHI / HOU / HOU / RGN / DC / NC
    R4 - LOU / POR / SKY / ORL / CHI / UTA / HOU / RGN / DC / SKY
     
  16. liesse00

    liesse00 Member

    Jan 17, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least they can still play their spring season if they want.
     
  17. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Not sure exactly what the previous was responding *to*, but it seems to have been in anticipation for what was announced today:


    Also, worth pointing out that two of HOU's draft picks from my list two posts up (the first two natural ones) are now with POR
     
  18. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #18 cpthomas, Dec 17, 2020
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2020
    Here is what the NCAA has published:

    National Women’s Soccer League Blanket Waiver Approved, December 15, 2020
    The NCAA Division I Committee for Legislative Relief approved a blanket waiver to allow Division I women’s soccer student-athletes to enter the National Women’s Soccer League’s draft (and potentially be drafted), while maintaining collegiate eligibility to compete during the 2021 spring championship segment.

    In granting this request, the committee noted:

    1. This is a one-time request for the 2020-21 academic year only;
    2. The blanket waiver does not permit a student-athlete to sign with an agent or an agreement to join a team, if drafted;
    3. Any use of a student-athletes name, image or likeness by the professional league must be informational in nature;
    4. The unique and extenuating circumstances associated with the COVID-19 pandemic and the impact of the pandemic on the 2020-21 soccer playing season; and
    5. The NCAA Division I Student-Athlete Experience Committee supported the waiver request.
    See Case No. 1115007 in Requests/Self-Reports Online via the search tab. Additional information regarding blanket waivers can be found on the Division I Committee for Legislative Relief homepage.

    [References: NCAA Division I Bylaws 12.1.2 (amateur status) and 12.2.4.2 (draft list)]
     
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  19. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Announced today, all college players, who before the current academic year had completed three years of college eligibility, will be eligible for the upcoming draft, regardless of whether they have registered for it. If a team drafts a player, they will have the rights to her until the beginning of the 2022 season.
     
  20. Gryphons Dad

    Gryphons Dad Member

    California Storm
    Oct 2, 2009
    Club:
    FC Gold Pride
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    How exactly does that work? If a player hasn't registered for the draft, and is planning on playing next Fall, how are they "drafted?" Maybe I'm missing something. I have heard that there is a severe lack of players registering for the draft for that exact reason: They are coming back to play a real season in the Fall.
     
  21. tiaotnszn

    tiaotnszn Member

    Chicago Red Stars
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    A player can be drafted and still play in college. As long as the player doesn't have an agent and/or sign a contract, they are still an amateur. In fact, for hockey, this is basically the norm. The NHL will draft players and then the teams will have the rights to the player even if they stay in college.

    And its the same reason why the players don't have to register. Say a player doesn't want to play in the NWSL. That's fine. Nothing about a team drafting that player's rights forces the player to play for that team. It just means if they want to play in the NWSL, then that is their team. They are still free to sign overseas with no restrictions.
     
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  22. Gryphons Dad

    Gryphons Dad Member

    California Storm
    Oct 2, 2009
    Club:
    FC Gold Pride
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    Thanks for the clarification. I ask because my daughter is a senior in the PAC 12 but is not registering for the draft since she wants a "do over" next Fall for this crappy season lol
     
  23. tiaotnszn

    tiaotnszn Member

    Chicago Red Stars
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    I don't blame her and had this happened my senior year, I probably would have done the same if given the chance.

    From the sound of the rule, if she is picked, the team would just have her rights until the 2022 NWSL preseason, which should be after her last season.

    So basically think of it this way: she is still getting picked to a team that she can join after her last season, it's just the draft process is taking place a year earlier.
     
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  24. Gryphons Dad

    Gryphons Dad Member

    California Storm
    Oct 2, 2009
    Club:
    FC Gold Pride
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    Makes sense. We will see what happens. Maybe she will be contacted by team "X" and decide to go. Doubtful but who knows.
     
  25. liesse00

    liesse00 Member

    Jan 17, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I guess only a couple dozen players had registered for the draft before the rule change. They should of just postponed the draft to the spring.
     
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