2021 MLS Week 22 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by ManiacalClown, Aug 27, 2021.

  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    08/27/21

    Columbus Crew vs FC Cincinnati
    Lower.com Field (6:30PM ET)
    REF: Robert Sibiga
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Ian McKay
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Tim Ford
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    CF Montréal vs Toronto FC
    Stade Saputo (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Chantal Boudreau
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Geoff Gamble
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    Orlando City vs Inter Miami CF
    Exploria Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Ismail Elfath
    AR1: Jose Da Silva
    AR2: Brian Poeschel
    4TH: Alex Chilowicz
    VAR: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AVAR: Jozef Batko
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Drew Fischer went to the monitor and produced a red card for SFP by Toronto's Noble Okello. It is the earliest red card shown after review so far in MLS and just the 9th red in regular season MLS history to come within the first 5 minutes of a match.
     
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  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m fine with a red here, but I’m not entirely sure this play was clearly and obviously a send off. It’s definitely high with the studs, but the force didn’t scream “excessive force” to me watching it at live speed. The leg wasn’t locked, and the speed coming in wasn’t nearly as high as some of the send offs we saw at the Euros, for example.

    Don’t get me wrong-I would prefer to see this as a send off. I’m just not sure it’s clearly and obviously one. But Fischer didn’t take much time at all at the monitor, so I’m probably off base here.
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/competitions/mls-regular-season/2021/matches/mtlvstor-08-27-2021/
     
  4. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're off base.
     
  5. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Care to explain why?
     
  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    08/28/21

    Atlanta United vs Nashville
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (3:30PM ET)
    REF: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Jeremy Hanson
    4TH: Luis Guardia
    VAR: Michael Radchuk
    AVAR: Jeff Muschik

    New York Red Bulls vs Chicago Fire
    Red Bull Arena (6PM ET)
    REF: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: Brian Dunn
    4TH: Guido Gonzales Jr
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Gjovalin Bori

    Los Angeles FC vs LA Galaxy
    Banc of California Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Cameron Blanchard
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Joe Dickerson
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    New York City FC vs New England Revolution
    Yankee Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Kevin Stott
    AR1: Kathryn Nesbitt
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Tom Supple
     
  7. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    D.C. United vs Philadelphia Union
    Audi Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Peter Balciunas
    AR2: Eric Weisbrod
    4TH: JC Griggs
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Ian McKay

    Houston Dynamo vs Minnesota United
    BBVA Stadium (9PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Jeremy Kieso
    AR2: Corey Rockwell
    4TH: Baldomero Toledo
    VAR: Armando Villarreal
    AVAR: Diego Blas

    Sporting Kansas City vs Colorado Rapids
    Children’s Mercy Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Fotis Bazakos
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Ryan Graves
    4TH: Jeremy Scheer
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    08/29/21

    Austin FC vs FC Dallas
    Q2 Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Cory Richardson
    4TH: Baldomero Toledo
    VAR: Chico Grajeda
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    Vancouver Whitecaps vs Real Salt Lake
    BC Place (10PM ET)
    REF: Ramy Touchan
    AR1: Mike Rottersman
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Dave Gantar
    AVAR: Rene Parra

    Seattle Sounders vs Portland Timbers
    Lumen Field (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Alan Kelly
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Micheal Barwegen
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Tim Ford
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak
     
  9. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Can we talk about Alan Kelly's performance? The first half was a bit of a mess. Seattle has a hard challenge in the 3' that, IMO, it's a YC offense but nobody gives that in the 3'. Then between 30-42' Kelly keeps his card in his pocket after a series of harder and harder challenges, culminating in 3 challenges by SS, but then the next challenge by PTFC gets yellow carded. It was really poor refereeing, in my opinion, as it was not preventative at all, let the game overboil, and then unfairly punished PTFC (in that there wasn't consistency for fouls done against them just minutes earlier).

    He did better the 2H but I expect more from him.
     
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  10. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Week 23, but it’s all kicked off in Nashville. Morales of NYCFC and McCarty of Nashville sent off as part of a mass confrontation. Honestly, I’m not sure why McCarty was shown red. He squared up, but Morales seemed to be the instigator and had McCarty by the neck. Tim Ford was struggling to keep control with some hard challenges not dealt with very well.
     
  11. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    The no-tolerance policy strikes again.

    Reminds of Messi's card with a Chilean player where he had his hands up the whole time yet both got red carded.
     

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