2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final - USA vs Mexico, August 1st, 2021

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  1. El Chanclas

    El Chanclas Member+

    Nov 21, 2008
    Mattias Almeyda should have been the coach hired before Tata. Somehow he ended up blackballed.
     
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  2. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    The head coach is not the issue even if Almeyda has an affinity for Mexico. Yes, he was black balled which supports the claims that Mexican football is a mafia style run football
     
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  3. LGRod

    LGRod Member+

    Mexico
    Aug 14, 2010
    Listenin to Los Bookies
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #653 LGRod, Aug 2, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2021
    "Did we die tho"

    Fernando, since Mario's gone. :cry:

    he would never put up with our bullshit.
     
  4. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    This.

    The US was so lucky at least two of those weren’t penalties. The officials all tournament have been awful.
     
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  5. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    These dudes played half assed all tourney long.

    yeah, idk where 4 handballs are in one game and they don’t get reviewed nor called. All this to hype up a US program that won’t make it out the Group Stage at a World Cup. That’s fine, if the FMF remain complacent, they’ll start losing revenue in the coming years. Maybe then they’ll make some real football changes as opposed to business.
     
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  6. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    #656 LAFEFUT, Aug 2, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2021
    Screw the refs and CONCACAF as they have proven to be biased in favor of the USA in case you missed that deleted tweet (not that we needed a tweet to see through the blatant bias). That was clearly at least one handball in favor of Mexico and they didn’t even check. Give México that deserved penalty and that changes that dynamics in the match and the USA opens up instead of bunkering down
     
  7. Hecho en Chivas

    Hecho en Chivas Member+

    Apr 22, 2004
    Chulajuana
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    You know what? I ain’t even mad at yesterday’s loss. This shit felt like a repeat of those Nads vs Mexico games from the 2000s, where all they did was bunker for dear life. We outplayed them, had the most possession, but just couldn’t finish our chances. Meanwhile, they get one lucky goal off a dead ball play. It’s almost comedic

    The result isn’t what bothered me. Sure, it sucks to lose those fückers and having to listen to their fan base chock full of morons that have no grasp on reality, but it’s like that with most sports.

    I am more let down by the crappy players that were on our team. One can argue that a good chunk of our missing players are currently at the Olympics, but we all know for damn sure there are much better options currently in the Liga MX than the likes of Pizarro, Pulido, Salcedo, Guti, etc.

    Would have been a great chance to see guys like Jimenez, Muñoz, Guzmán, etc.
     
  8. fateswarning189

    Jan 27, 2016
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    [​IMG]
    -bsmx

    Frustrated with this tournament since our questionable callups and omissions, but not surprised with the results. In fact, I'm surprised we made it this far.

    The chucky injury was a huge loss for us and makes me realize how much we need him and Raul. Honestly, our bench sucked. In our olympic squad, we have Lainez coming in for Antuna and Vega, meanwhile our senior squad has pizarro and pulido the instagram star:mad:

    This tournament reminded me a lot of gold cup 2013, copa america 2015, olympics 2016, where we had to rely on an oribe, vouso and marco bueno to score the goals and Huiqi to watch our ass ffs. We just don't do well when our squad is split, but we're expected to anyways.. way too much pressure on our players, they did the best they could. like a lot of guys on this thread, hoping this is a wake up call.

    US was missing their superstars but so were we, and like they did last night, if we don't score early they'll drag us to deep waters and catch us with a late goal and tired legs. better team won, I'm stoked for the next game tho.:cool:
     
  9. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Can someone please confirm that goal was offside. They ********ed up and showed one side angle replay that showed he was offside. Talk about corruption.
     
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  10. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Nevermind was onside. Shady that nothing was reviewed yesterday though
     
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  11. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    I recall very few generated goals for the USA in their history vs Mexico. Most are set pieces or blunders. That is the way they play and yet Mexico cannot improve their zone or their 1v1 marking.
     
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  12. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    I literally was in disbelief in some parts of the match and was saying to myself that there was no way these matches could be rigged
     
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  13. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    A lot of talk about the failure of Mexican football should be on the culture like Lozano just said in an interview of which this post is prime thing.

    That Chicharito, the guy who is the leading scorer in Mexican football and had the 3rd or 4th best career in Mexican football is the problem just exposes you. That some ridiculous Martinoli BS


    You believe it's players that bough there own hype because you're part of the mexican zombie horde of fans that believe it's was the players fault mostly because of Martinolli and are either not smart or falling for a guy who always had a media campaign for his friends and who is part of the Joserra school, a guy who did those campaign a la Televisa to sell his opinions and his staff as "the TRUTH". The Chepo excuse isn't debunked. If anything people blamed most of his players and he chose a different squad for the 2013 Gold Cup and he played just as shit. The Vucetich era was 2 games, 1 win and 1 loss and it wasn't great but the reason it was a tragedy at the time was all the games that we lost either games or points with Chepo. The fact he didn't win a game in Azteca in the hex and only won once outside. It's why the stupid Martinoli rant is so dumb, because he blames the players when he never was that against Chepo. When people blame the euros, yet the terrible defense was all Liga MX. When Carlos Salcido was one of the worst players game after game yet never got blame because he wasn't a "diva inflada". Chepo de la Torre was super rigid and he believed Mexico was Brazil in CONCACAF and should play "like Mexico" every game which mad the team the most predictable and he got outcoached game after game. If anything it was a kudos to the talent that we tied games and not flat out loss them. The big problem in that tenure wasn't the Costa Rica game but the Honduras Aztecazo (That Chicharito didn't even play) where we dominated the 1st half, Luis Fernandez Suarez figured out Chepo and changed in halftime and we lost a game that was the most absolutely must win. But there was no Martinoli rant against the players that day so......

    It's amazing that you bought the Borgetti official game thing that just shows what the type of fan you are. If there ever is a player who benefited from the lousy opposition it's Borgetti. He scored 12 "official" goals against Dominica, St Vincent and the Grenadines and Belize. It's the ability of not going against context. No Chicharito, no Luis Hernandez, no Oribe Peralta or Raul Jimenez has ever played against a team as bad as Dominica. It's the worse team ever faced since I've been a fan. Then Mexico got the easiest Semifinal group ever and faced a team like St. Vincent. Chicharito, as a player who played in Europe and thus had to participate in FIFA A friendly had a lot better opposition in those friendlies than Borgetti so the dumb idea that because they are "official" suddenly means that it's tougher to score against St Kitts and Nevis than Paraguay, it shows the lack of analysis and the biased idea. If there is a player that should be the poster boy of when people say "Se infla los numeros por jugar contra CONCACAF" it should be Jared Borgetti. But Martinolli didn't rant against him so.....


    It's funny that you bring up those networks when a big part of their problem is that they keep adding to these terrible culture of ignorant fans that you repeat verbatim their arguments. The problem of those players is that we constantly fail to send those players to Europe or take too long because of the mexican idea of "el proceso" or because clubs overprice their players and people that can't realize the fact that Liga MX has a small ceiling and unless the World economy drastically changes (which it doesn't like it will) then Mexico will NEVER be able to compete with the Top 5 leagues in Europe. The top football is going to be played in those leagues and that should be the priority because club football will always be the best in those leagues and that is where you thrive because it's where week in and week out your players play.


    The US didn't really do anything because of 2018. It's a totally overblown event. Mexico had the same thing in 2013, we were just mega lucky to get a results after the terrible decision to keep Chepo while they had the bad luck that the ball bounced off Ochoa's head and that the ref screwed Costa Rica with a phantom goal. Thus we had the opportunity to bounce back in the World Cup and set things right and they didn't. The US had a talented US youth squad that started sending their young players to Europe as opposed to us. And in the end everybody is making it as if it's the typical problems when talent wise Mexico had to have beaten this US team and done better than they did in the Nations League but they didn't as they have done in 2021 because it's a bad job and it's on the coaching staff like the fact that with the same players Osorio could make a team that could defend set pieces and who never get scored on and now we have a team that can't defend them even worse than before.

     
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  14. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Almeyda's tenure is the most overrated and it's because of Chivas. If you look at him overall he did as good as Diego Alonso but people never talk about Alonso's Pachuca as they talk about Almeyda. I like the guy and have high hopes for him but he was nowhere near the "should have been hired before".
     
  15. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    People should stop about us missing our players. Maybe it was against Canada but it's no excuse for the US. They flat out had a B squad at most this time.

     
  16. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    a guy that ran away to the mls (and seems to have been awful there) shouldn't be someone mentioned for the national team
     
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  17. Anto'nio

    Anto'nio Red Card

    Atlanta United
    Sep 11, 2017
    Yeah! But the ref got at least one call right. When Hector Herrera gave that smash with his boot into the back of the neck of Miles Robinson, those morons were crying and saying "boo hoo" and calling for a tarjeta roja, as if a kick into the neck ain't just a righteous part of the game. Eat yellow, Nads, your tears not gonna change the dynamics in the match.
     
  18. revilla18

    revilla18 Member

    Aug 22, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I don’t blame this loss on Martino. He’s not on the pitch.(Except for some of his call ups ( If they’re even his and not from the “media”))

    I put the blame on the 11 players on the field.

    They’re the ones who are playing; not the coach.

    They didn’t get the job done, when it should of been a sweep.

    The people who are playing, are supposed to score the goals and defend our area; not Tata.

    You can talk about his tactics and w.e; but that still doesn’t excuse the 11 players on the field.

    It’s not like they don’t know how to play soccer.
    They’ve made it this far and got scouted to the professional level for a reason.

    Last night they choked; big time. It’s all on the players for me.
     
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  19. quijas

    quijas Member

    Jul 2, 2009
    Guadalajara, Jalisco
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Tata is also the one that called up pizzaro, Pulido and Mori all 3 are having or had bad seasons. Yes the players are at fault but so is Tata and his Tatics and player selections have been very questionable they are all at fault.
     
  20. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    It looked like it could have been offsides.

    It's mega shady that having VAR, they never used it except once against Canada.

    There were too many plays in Mexico's games that should have and could have implemented VAR.

    It's not an excuse.

    Just calling out shitty Concacaf referring with an obvious bias.
     
  21. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    Your defense of el Chicharo is quite something but weak at best. It’s Martinoli’s fault, it’s Chepo’s fault, it’s Liga MX defenders fault, it’s Joserra’s fault everything and everyone else’s fault but el Chicharo.

    You do realize that 7-0, almost failing to qualify to the World Cup 2014, 3-0 Sweden, 4-1 Germany, 1-1 at the Azteca where due to el Chicharo Michael Bradley metió un pinché golazo de media cancha etcétera etcétera all have Javier Hernández en common right? All in the last 10 or so years with different DT, right? That his goals scored in all those moleros/friendlies all coincide with SUM’s takeover of Mexican National team matches played in the USA, right?
     
  22. SGuerrilla

    SGuerrilla Member+

    Sep 8, 2014
    en la cueva
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    All of those also have Ochoa in common, is it his fault too?
     
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  23. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    This post is terrible even for you. What the fvck are you talking about that the 7-0 and the 1-1 in Azteca have Javier Hernandez in common? Are you on crack? That's the dumbest thing I'v heard. Guillermo Ochoa was the goalkeeper in that 7-0, the freaking goalkeeper, and yet anybody who blames him for the goalkeeper is being mega stupid because only that way could somebody blame something on a player let alone the Center forward. Then again you say that he didn't "echarse el equipo el hombro" like a CF or a player like Borgetti did that. And LOL at using "it's Chepo's fault" like blaming the coach for having the team in 5th place of the Hex is something out there. Yep crazy talk.:rolleyes:

    Special Talent would have been embarrassed by this post. Take a breather to make a better argument please.
     
  24. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    this is such a weak argument, you are either trolling or highly delusional
     
  25. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018


    That is Martinoli’s fault, right?
     
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