2021-22 Hot Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by ThePonchat, Oct 26, 2021.

  1. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    Recently? This thread is the same year after year.
     
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  2. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    With Carr staying put whatever the administration discovered (or didn’t) clearly wasn’t enough to terminate him. Results and clearly terrible and he is not doing a good job there, but the investigation obviously didn’t have much merit.
    Still, I would have to put Oklahoma on the hot seat for the next cycle when we get to this fall.

    Has there been any word on Akron? I thought there might have been a change there after another bad year. Vernon didn’t do a good job there either but he was given much less time than the current coach.
     
  3. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    The comment wasn’t directed at you, but more so at the people that seem to take pleasure in other people’s misery. Posting open jobs is useful. Speculating on who will get fired and critiquing each hire is not.
     
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  4. Lord Kril

    Lord Kril Member

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Jul 3, 2018
    Is there one power 5 football coach that in the announcement release mentions coaching the local pop Warner mighty might team? I don’t blame the new HC but the Sid that thinks it’s worthy of printing has got to have his-her-zer loyalties questioned.
     
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  5. 352formation

    352formation Member

    Reading FC
    Dec 4, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Exactly. They shouldn’t have to puff up a resume of a P5 head coach hire with “oh by the way they were a head coach of an XYZ youth team”. Every other head coach in the PAC 12 should be licking their lips after these two hires. Including the Arizona coach!! She now has more head coaching experience than at least two other coaches in the conference.
     
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  6. 2233soccer

    2233soccer Member

    United States
    Sep 13, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just curious why a few would adamantly defend someone and quick to argue a situation when they admit they know nothing about it. Maybe the claims about Oklahoma coach are true? It is possible that a few coaches are 100% bad apples and players have legitimate complaints but no power. Just look at the past year in the NWSL.
     
  7. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    Are you suggesting the Oklahoma coach has behaved in sexually coercive manner? People who know nothing defend because of extreme posts that put the coach in the same thought as these NWSL coaches.
     
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  8. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    Maybe because people are tired of others casting dispersions without any proof? One can assume that in this day and age especially, if a school looked into it and found nothing, there is nothing. They’re certainly not going to protect a sub .500 coach. Be serious. Reality is that unhappy players/parents over playing time have it out for the guy. Could he have been more gentle in turning over the roster? Without knowing the exact conversations, maybe. But it is not unusual for new coaches to do that. One year of hell and then smoother sailing. Better that than dealing with the headaches for 3-4 years. Playing time is earned, not promised. The mistakes in this program seem to be mostly made by the previous coach.
     
  9. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    A poster on this forum was adamant Carr was getting fired, and now it appears he is staying. So if there was even an investigation the administration didn’t find grounds for removal. Maybe he is a bad apple I have no idea, but if things he was doing were that bad he would have been removed.
     
  10. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    Admins will absolutely protect a coach. They do not want to admit a bad hire. They do not want to pay a fired coaches salary while also paying a new coach. They do not want to get in a legal fight if the termination for cause could lead to that. Easier to ride out the contract if there is not too many years left. Boss and coach may also be good pals. People saying administrations find nothing in an investigation because coach wasn’t terminated are so naive. Administrations cover up misconduct on the regular.

    All that said, I know nothing about Oklahoma or their coach. My statement is just a general response to some of the administration comments.
     
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  11. Carolina92

    Carolina92 Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Can we get back to talking about the decline of the PAC-12? That UCLA couldn’t get a top tier coaching replacement was eye opening. Now the USC hire is truly stunning, to say the very least. I’m assuming the silence is because the USC/PAC-12 fans are still in shock.
     
  12. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Correct and interesting. Of course time will tell. These could turn out to be good coaches but it looks awful on paper.
    The SEC gets one of the best HCs out of the PAC12, a National Champion and their current coach of the year. Another previous champion and COY goes pro.

    Meanwhile....
    The Pac12 appoints another rookie head coach.

    Who has the most to gain from this? Stanford is already getting who they want really. Some of the next tier West Coach schools perhaps?

    Some have said these programs at USC and UCLA are so heralded and popular that they almost recruit for themselves. We're about to test that theory as well.

    USC had a chance to blow out UCLA with a good hire and they instead decided, "lets go low budget asst coach like they did" and in fact took an assistant from that rival school!

    REGARDLESS of Gender, does a recruit on a USYNT roster or from a top shelf ECNL team look at this paragraph and get excited? Really?

    ......holds a UEFA B Coaching license and served as head coach of the Space Coast United U-10, U-11 and U-16 girls club team and as an assistant coach of the U-15 boys team from 2014 to 2018. She most recently coached the 2010 Pre - ECNL LA Breakers and 2012 White LA Breakers teams. Prior to coaching, ...........taught for three years (2011-14) in Baltimore City as part of the program Teach for America.
     
  13. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    In all fairness how many of us are able to brag about the fact we coached the Space Coast United U-10 team. YTRS will probably say that is exactly what the admins were looking for.
     
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  14. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I seriously doubt that top recruits will pass on Ucla and/or Usc because these schools did not hire big-name coaches. First, the new coaches will both play with their existing rosters, which should be formidable, and so if they and their staffs are competent, they should win--and if they win, they'll be able to recruit. Beyond that, we're talking two fairly prestigious schools in the soccer hotbed of southern California: if one or both offer a prospect a scholly, the prospect will be flattered and probably won't sit down and scrutinize the credentials of the coaches, especially if the teams have been winning. Certainly, the new coaches will have to handle all the rigors of running big programs--but they've been with big programs, as assistants, and that of course will help. In some cases a program's name and tradition will help a new coach, and that would apply in these cases. It won't help for long if they're not good coaches and managers, but the new Ucla/Usc hires have some advantages that they wouldn't have at other, lesser programs.
     
  15. upprv

    upprv Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    I think it’s true for the vast majority of players. An offer from usc or ucla is gold.

    however for the top 1% of players who can absolutely be picky about where they go, the choice between Paul Radcliffe, mark krikoarian, anson and two former assistants will matter.

    can they still get enough good players to compete? Sure. Do they each know enough about soccer to run a session and have a game plan? Sure. Can they manage people and all the tasks that come with running a program? Can they compete at the highest level with fsu Stanford etc? Who knows. Maybe.
     
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  16. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    You are making an assumption that the PAC is declining. Todd at WSU did quite well as a first time head coach at the collegiate level. Utah and Oregon have also hired first time head coaches in the last couple of years. Let’s give these all these coaches a chance. Admins seem to be looking for fresh energy rather than ‘solid’ resume veteran head coaches. The big time successful coaches do not look interested in leaving. Keidane being the lone exception in recent years.
     
  17. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    "I seriously doubt that top recruits will pass on Ucla and/or Usc because these schools did not hire big-name coaches." from @L'orange

    If this statement is true, then why hire any "big name coaches"??

    That's the argument that those schools recruit for you. But their competition will now be saying in the short term, "why take that chance?"
    Every school has their homers that get fixated - live close, alumni connections, etc.

    But there is also Massive expectation that comes with these gigs. These top-shelf recruits will all likely have had club coaches with more experience then their college coaches at these schools. We'll start to find out this Spring if they live up to that expectation with the current rosters (via the portal) and on the recruiting sites with commits either coming or going.

    As a coach, I will admit that coaching is over rated! Any smart head coach would hire assistants to do the things they don't do well. So, we'll see.
    But I can tell you, If I was advising a top shelf player with USYNT experience, I would tell them to pass on the rookie coach. If it doesn't go well, then there's another transition and you have to think about transferring and then maybe you're career (chance to be a top10 team or in the College Cup) is suddenly over.
     
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  18. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    Maybe in the old days, but in this climate, there is no chance of a school protecting a coach. If it came out later that there was something to it, the fallout would be much worse than having to pay a year or 2 of salary.
     
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  19. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    I told people on this board weeks ago that neither school would get a big name coach and people scoffed at it. It’s not a surprise at all. The pay isn’t enough to offset the cost of living and housing market. They were always only going to get someone young and probably single willing to rent. Given that, hiring AC’s from big name programs is a way of justifying the hire. No surprise at all and as someone else said, they have a built in advantage given the location and quality of the schools. They’ll be just fine.
     
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  20. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    "Fresh energy" = cheap/affordable
     
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  21. Jamie JBS

    Jamie JBS Member

    Fulham
    England
    May 10, 2021
    Montana apparently but buyout will stand in the way of that conversation.
     
  22. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    Sure, but also the same gamble as just a 'solid' coach from another school.
     
  23. Number007

    Number007 Member+

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
     
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  24. 2233soccer

    2233soccer Member

    United States
    Sep 13, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, I am saying that people turn a blind eye and defend coaches and hide bad behavior all the time when they are in positions of power and the players have no power to ensure a healthy environment. Powerful people and systems ignored and protected bad coaches at the highest level in the NWSL. The same happens in the NCAA and Youth soccer. It doesn't have to be sexually coercive, there can be other actions that can be traumatizing and damaging to a player's mental health and overall wellbeing. That has nothing to do with being an athlete and working to bring out the best performance. These are legitimate concerns and to just dismiss it as a disgruntled low-level player that is complaining about playtime is disrespectful and an injustice to all in the sport. All the meaningless statements about mental health awareness and there is no action behind it. You can be a great coach and not be mentally, physically, and emotionally abusive.
     
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  25. upprv

    upprv Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    I’m not saying she is an awful coach or an awful human. I’m saying that’s an incredibly thin resume with which to get a top 10 college head coaching job.

    she could do great. But the bar is usually a lot higher in order to get the job. And that ucla didn’t hire her but usc did is weird.

    thus far the reports about MA out of ucla have been fantastic. Players say huge upgrade over Amanda.

    I’m not wishing anyone to fail. Just saying zero head coaching experience is a crazy resume to get those jobs.
     

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