Here is the full sequence: https://streamable.com/qrko3m I really don't like these penalties where the attacker is later to the defender than the duel, and just sticks his leg out in order to be kicked (Lacazette also clearly fouls Targett in the aerial duel, too). Contrarily, I guess this incident is 'too clear not to intervene on' and PGMOL, not the most sophisticated refereeing theoreticians in many (many) regards, will assess Oliver calling Pawson as basically correct.
@Mikael_Referee Do you have the clip of the APP leading to Brightons PK in the 79' against Man City? I can't find the full passing sequence. Seems like a clear offside offense.
To the annoyance of probably many on the MLS thread, I think Ronaldo should have unequivocally been sent off. Of course, the fact that he wasn’t lends credence, I believe, to a few of the arguments I made last night.
That was very very close to being DOGSO vs. Maguire Regardless of the call, DOGSO, no DOGSO, nothing there for BAR to reverse. And yes. Ronaldo should have seen red.
I get we want to keep it 11v11 in the PL, but I really want a potential WC QF+ crew to get that live.
You know the masses, particularly in England, will question why it was even a foul because “he got the ball” (TM) . Pogba’s SFP is far more worthy of a send off than Tim Melia’s play yesterday. Again, I’m calling both as reds, but if I only get one of these to rule as a send off it’s this one.
+46' - Ronaldo (VC?) https://streamable.com/24hmgf +48' - Fred (SFP?) https://streamable.com/7wns0y 46' - Fernandes (SFP?) https://streamable.com/3fh6c9 54' - Maguire (DOGSO?) https://streamable.com/qlz2g0 59' - Pogba (SFP) https://streamable.com/02zpc9
I'm surprised Fernandes got away with his challenge, to be honest. And as an aside, I try not to form too many subjective opinions on players, but boy does Fernandes incredulousness and hostility at nearly every call against him or teammates wear thin. I also think Ronaldo's is red, as I said above, but not surprised by the lack of intervention. Think everything else is the right decision.
Taylor played this yellow card very well against that background (totally agree btw). I can understand why someone would come up with this tackle as SFP, but I'd even make a case that it would be *possible* to assess it as even careless. Fernandes is going to make a clean slide tackle on the ball before Jones puts his leg across, and then the United player's contact is pretty trifling. However, in the real world, that is a yellow card. However, I guess Taylor knew that this big dissent was coming, and an instant card was not necessary, so he waited a couple of seconds for it to come, and then booked him (you can hear him blow the whistle before the away fans cheers, so it is 'like' he cautioned him for dissent). At it's core, that is fundamentally unfair, I suppose - if Fernandes is stupid enough to commit a de facto clear yellow card tackle and then very clearly dissent, then as a matter of fairness, he should probably be ejected with a SYC. However, that is why we want empathic referees with football understanding, and not robots, to handle our matches.
Ronaldo should have gone, of course, but managing the event, blah blah blah. Maguire is more interesting I think, because the 'foul' itself was on a player in a clear OGSO position, but these such incidents where the defender plays the ball always make me wonder whether it is 'still' DOGSO. Of course, the LotG answer is definitely yes, but I have no problem with a yellow personally. It is a little bit of an elephant in the room but a) Taylor relies too much on VAR with his style in the PL, and more problematically, b) with his WC 2006 style of staying in the background and not trying to actually take the initiative with cards, guide the players towards fairer play, I'm 99% sure Pogba's tackle wouldn't have happened if say Dean or Oliver handled this game. And given the seriousness of Keita's injury, that is a slightly unsettling conclusion.
But isn't this fundamentally unfair? It is exactly what the NBA got caught doing - not disciplining big stars. It's very concerning as it is either a form of indirect cheating (the teams with big stars are being favored) or lack of will. Both of which are troublesome.
2017-ish. It came out that NBA referees had been actively keeping big stars in the game because people to pay to see an NBA game to watch the big stars foul out.
Without knowing anything about the NBA… You’ve touched on the paradox of professional athletics. You don’t have to like it or even think it’s done well, but I think it’s naive to pretend it doesn’t exist and that there are reasons that they do things differently.
Having watched this play a few times, I think not sending Maguire off for DOGSO is the right call. The biggest issue for me is the pass is behind the Liverpool player, so he has to turn around and adjust to the ball. With the number of players around the ball, I don't think that's "obvious" enough to warrant sending Maguire off. If the pass leads him properly, then I think we have a different discussion and call. Fully agree on other points, including the overreliance on VAR for send-offs. Like it or not, I just think the presence of VAR presents on-field referees with "well, I'm not sure, so I'll go yellow and if it's a clear send-off then VAR will let me know." I fully understand that isn't how VAR is supposed to work, but I think that's reality. It's why I have such respect for when referees make big send-off calls in real time these days, like when Oliver had a SFP send-off in the Spain-Switzerland quarterfinal at the Euros. We just don't see that many on-field SFP send-offs anymore, even if they should be pretty obvious.
Fair or not, I think it is a reality of all high-profile sports (and often even at lower levels) that officials are more reluctant to send off an elite player than a scrub because it will have more impact on the game. It's not completely dissimilar to having a higher degree of certainty on giving a PK than on a call at midfield. Right or wrong, I think it is the reality of human nature.
Matchweek 10 Leicester - Arsenal Referee: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Simon Bennett, Dan Robathan. Fourth official: Robert Jones. VAR: Jarred Gillett. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis. Burnley - Brentford Referee: Jonathan Moss. Assistants: Marc Perry, Timothy Wood. Fourth official: Jeremy Simpson. VAR: Andy Madley. Assistant VAR: Richard West. Liverpool - Brighton Referee: Mike Dean. Assistants: Eddie Smart, Mark Scholes. Fourth official: Chris Kavanagh. VAR: Kevin Friend. Assistant VAR: Simon Beck. Man City - Crystal Palace Referee: Andre Marriner. Assistants: Adrian Holmes, Scott Ledger. Fourth official: Anthony Taylor. VAR: Lee Mason. Assistant VAR: Ian Hussin. Newcastle - Chelsea Referee: Paul Tierney. Assistants: Constantine Hatzidakis, Neil Davies. Fourth official: Martin Atkinson. VAR: David Coote. Assistant VAR: Nick Hopton. Watford - Southampton Referee: Peter Bankes. Assistants: Peter Kirkup, James Mainwaring. Fourth official: Keith Stroud. VAR: Graham Scott. Assistant VAR: Adam Nunn. Tottenham - Man Utd Referee: Stuart Attwell. Assistants: Harry Lennard, Simon Long. Fourth official: Simon Hooper. VAR: Darren England. Assistant VAR: Stuart Burt. Norwich - Leeds Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: Kevin Friend. VAR: Darren England. Assistant VAR: Simon Long. Aston Villa - West Ham Referee: Chris Kavanagh. Assistants: Dan Cook, Nick Hopton. Fourth official: David Coote. VAR: Stuart Attwell. Assistant VAR: Harry Lennard. Wolves - Everton Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Lee Betts, Richard West. Fourth official: Andre Marriner. VAR: Chris Kavanagh. Assistant VAR: Wade Smith.
"Big" matches: Leicester - Man City (Community Shield): Tierney Tottenham - Man City: Taylor Arsenal - Chelsea: Tierney Man City - Arsenal: Atkinson Liverpool - Chelsea: Taylor Leicester - Man City: Tierney Tottenham - Chelsea: Tierney Chelsea - Man City: Oliver Arsenal - Tottenham: Pawson Liverpool - Man City: Tierney Leicester - Man Utd: Pawson Man Utd - Liverpool: Taylor Leicester - Arsenal: Oliver Tottenham - Man Utd: Attwell Distribution of these matches in the EPL: Tierney: 4 Taylor: 3 Oliver: 2 Pawson: 2 Atkinson: 1 Attwell: 1