2020 Tokyo Olympics - general discussion

Discussion in '2020 Women's Olympics Soccer' started by shlj, May 3, 2018.

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  1. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    #276 shlj, Jun 30, 2021
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    And something interesting is brewing. Apparently the deadline for the official list was today. But France MNT can't still get 18 players to come, because clubs are refusing to release players.

    They got a first dispentation when they were allowed to pick players outside of the 50 (!) players original long list. Now they got an extra two days to pick players and l'equipe suggest the list will be 22 iso 18+4 because players don't want or their club don't want them to go as reserves only.

    The new rule would be coach would do like at the Euros where they have 26 players and leave 3 out of the matchday squad. It would be 18 players picked out of the 22 at the coach convenience for every game.
     
  2. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
     
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  3. tiaotnszn

    tiaotnszn Member

    Chicago Red Stars
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    Is 17 the absolute max number of players that could theoretically play in a game? 5 subs makes 16. 6th sub in extra time makes 17. How does the new concussion sub work? Could that bring it over 17? Because if not, then choosing a gameday 18 out of 22 makes sense. It gives you the max number of theoretical subs plus a GK.
     
  4. blissett

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    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    #279 blissett, Jun 30, 2021
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    If this happens, it is the worst travesty I've seen since... well, since the beginning of history, I guess! :thumbsdown:

    And, of course, it will favour USA, whose coach even openly admits to have prepared for that!!! :x3: For god sake, he's saying out loud that he basically cheated on the roster based on a solid conviction that the rules could have been changed.

    Now, to make just a little less unfair this fair of the unfairness (sorry-not-sorry for the mass of puns), other NTs should be allowed to change their rosters accordingly. I guess many coaches would have made different choices if they had known what USWNT's basically admits he knew (or suspected). :devilish:
     
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  5. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He apparently said it was well known they were considering some adjustments to the rules. If it was well known, I do not see anyone having a reasonable complaint.
     
  6. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #281 Lechus7, Jun 30, 2021
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    Yeah, some contradictions in above Andonovski statement...

    What's of most impotance it does not establish:
    who really knew and from how long?

    It's strange cuz the proposition like that had to go thru FIFA Medical Committee at some point for sure (BEL, ARG, USA, PAN, MAS, ESP, EGY, SWE, NZL, JPN, ALG) but even after that - it's still a major change - that needs approval from The Organising Committee for FIFA Competitions, before it's presentation to IOC.
    Couple of FIFA gatherings were held during last 6 months yet nothing leaked about it.. :unsure:

    The changing of rules will benefit all participating players for sure.:thumbsup:
    Question is does it's late introduction benefits all teams equally?:cautious:

    Teams with big player pool ...or big FIFA pull - have the advantage here. :coffee:
     
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  7. Lechus7

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  8. Ponde_Ringu

    Ponde_Ringu Member

    May 17, 2021
    https://sakanowa.jp/topics/46508

    Same kind of comments from a Japanese National team staff.

    "We're preparing as a team of 22 players, and I expect some other countries are too"

    So the only way this makes sense to me now is that this discussion was all happening quietly for months before it was known to the public. But the same staff member said that there are concerns that the new rule might work unfairly for some countries.:cautious:

    It's all so mind boggling. If they were discussing this for a while now why not make the decision or at least release a statement before the olympic roster was due? :confused:
     
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  9. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I am quite sure the request for change from Netherlands and USA started that process. The fact that the FFF have been pushing for that change too and all the dispensation we got about the roster rules to be able to get a squad available for the MNT team helped to get it over the line.

    I don't think FIFA or the IOC would have liked to see France MNT out of the Olympics because of the squad rules.
     
  10. WoSoFan

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    Dec 23, 2017
    If this is a problem for the men's side, where clubs aren't willing to release players, making it a difficult task in getting players for the Olympics, then this is a problem that has developed that will most likely bring about permanent change to the roster size for future Olympics.
     
  11. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I don't know, I think this might be a one off due to the pandemics. And the French clubs being **** because having like 70% of your 50 players longlist being rejected does not happen in every country.
     
  12. Ponde_Ringu

    Ponde_Ringu Member

    May 17, 2021
    It's becoming more likely that the Olympics are going to be held under a state of emergency after new Covid cases surged from yesterdays 592 to todays 920. It's a complete failure for the government since last state of emergency was only lifted about 2 weeks ago.

    That poll I posted here a while back isn't going to mean a thing now that the situation is suddenly so dire. If things continue to go south like this there will be many angry people wanting the olympics canceled.

    As much as I want the olympics to be held, I have to admit it's so tiring to be in the middle of all this. Maybe they could move it to somewhere in the middle of the pacific or maybe Mars. Just far away from my city. :sick:

    We'll know how bad this surge of cases is right about when the woso tournament starts. If the state of emergency has the intended effect, that's when the number of cases will peak and start to decline. Things probably wont get better anytime soon though because people are starting to use the fact that the olympics are being held as an excuse to do whatever they like and the gov doesn't have any means to stop them.

    As some of you may know Japan doesn't have any laws it can enforce to prohibit people from traveling. In fact something like a "lockdown" is constitutionally banned in this country. A state of emergency basically just means the government is pleading people to stay home and this time I'm not sure many people will listen.

    Despite all I said here though, the olympics are going to be held 99%.

    So I guess...pray for us?:oops: I really tried to find some positives here there just aren't many.:cry: I was so happy this morning when I found out team Netherlands arrived.:(
     
  13. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    I can tell from experience in my country, that a massive vaccination campaign could have made a big difference.

    Too late for that, I am afraid and, yes, what you are left with, basically, is everyone just being individually very cautious and... yes, prayers, maybe, if you believe in their effectiveness.

    Being close to you (not really, just in spirit and with the proper social distancing, but sincerely). :notworthy:
     
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  14. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just saw a story this morning that the Oly officials (or Government officials) were asking (pleading) with people to stay away from the marathons and fast-walking competitions which have routes through the city.

    @Ponde_Ringu stay safe.
     
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  15. toad455

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  16. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    After seeing China roster (6 players are missing from that play-off vs. South Korea in April) I'd like to change my predictions now.

    Group E---------------------Group F----------------------Group G
    1.JPN-----------------------1. BRA-------------------------1. SWE
    2.GBR
    -----------------------2. NED-------------------------2. USA
    3.CAN
    -----------------------3. CHN-------------------------3. AUS
    4. CHI-----------------------4. ZAM--------------------------4. NZL

    QF

    JPN - CHN
    SWE - CAN

    BRA - USA
    GBR - NED

    SF

    JPN - SWE
    BRA - NED

    Gold

    JPN - BRA

    Bronze

    SWE - NED
     
  17. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Will you change your prediction again after it was decided that no spectators will be allowed?
     
  18. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #293 Lohmann, Jul 8, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2021
    My prediction:
    Group E
    1.JPN
    2.CAN
    3.GBR

    4.CHI

    Group F
    1.NED
    2.BRA

    3.CHN
    4.ZAM

    Group G
    1.USA
    2.SWE
    3.AUS

    4.NZL

    QF
    JPN - AUS
    USA - GBR
    NED - SWE
    CAN - BRA

    SF
    JPN - USA
    NED -
    CAN

    Bronze
    JPN - CAN

    Gold
    USA - NED
     
  19. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    :(
     
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  20. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    I wonder what the over/under is on how many events get cancelled?
     
  21. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
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    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Due to too many positive cases among athletes? or organisational problems?
     
  22. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Positive cases.
     
  23. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None. Athletes can be removed, or teams can be removed. But I would very highly doubt any events get cancelled. I'm just wondering how they would handle it if one team had to go into quarantine in the eve of a semifinal or final and couldn't field a full team.
     
  24. Lechus7

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