2020 Roster Thread

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  1. pjguldan

    pjguldan Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My understanding is that there are three tiers of USL players for MLS teams.

    The MLS contract is essentially a loan to the USL team. These contracts have to adhere to all the rules that go with an MLS contract. There are a set amount of USL contracts where the MLS team holds "rights" to sign the player, it's not quite the two way contract of the NBA, but it's in a similar area. I cannot recall the specific limits, but I think it was four or six per team. Lastly, there are the regular USL contracts that have no MLS stipulations.

    It's on my list of questions I have around a Crew USL team.
     
  2. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    When is roster Compliance day ? Or has our roster already been finalized ?
     
  3. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never found specific reference, but last year when LA had four DP's on their roster everybody kept saying that they had until the day before the first game to get down to three. (Which they did)
     
  4. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...ws-are-set-2020-preseason-dates-also-released

     
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  5. Dr.Fever

    Dr.Fever Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 19, 2018
    JJ was released and Porter was talking about having four forwards meant that two wouldn't dress and hence why 5 was unnecessary. So, when is Miguel Berry signing? I assume they cut JJ to make room for Berry?
     
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  6. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Maybe instead of Loaning Berry they should let a USL team sign him ????
     
  7. MFRONE

    MFRONE Member+

    Jul 24, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Kempin wasn’t at training today...wonder if that means he’s being loaned off
     
  8. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or just cut.
     
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  9. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Maybe injured or had a personal issue, we will find out soon enough
     
  10. BigStern

    BigStern Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 2, 2018
    Columbus by way of Lima
  11. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, Berry official. Linky:

    https://www.columbuscrewsc.com/post...mls-superdraft-selection-forward-miguel-berry

    27/30 spots filled. All 3 openings appear to be reserve slots. Best guesses as both MLS and the Players Union do mot have updated roster rules/salary up yet.

    A. Rules & Regs (2019)
    Link:
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/mls-roster-rules-and-regulations



    B. General Stuff:

    1. Salary Cap = $4,240,000 (2019)

    A) On Budget: Only Senior Roster Spots count against the Cap
    B) Players on Season Ending Injury list also count vs. the Cap, though one replacement player may be off cap under certain circumstances.
    C) Up to 20 Senior Roster spots. 18 must be filled. Min budget charge is made if spots 19 & 20 are not filled.
    D) Max budget charge is $530,000. Allocation $$ and DP rules can reduce a player's budget charge below their listed salary number.
    E) Off-Budget: Supplemental (21-24) and Reserve (25-30) Rosters do not count towards the salary cap.
    F) Salary info is from September 2019. Have to wait for the Union to post new info, usually they do 2 per year, March & September.

    II. Estimated Roster Compositions
    1. Senior Roster: 20/18-20 Players:

    A) 20 Player max on Senior Roster, subject to Season Ending Injury List, Disabled List, and Loan exceptions.
    B) Generally, this is the highest 20 paid players, though HG players and GA players can be on other rosters.

    Rank, Player, Pos, Age,DOB, HT, WT, Nat, Desig(s), Base $$/Guar $$
    1. Zelarayan, M, 27, 6/20/92, 5'8", 154, Argentina, DP, INT#1, $1.5 mil+/$1.5 mil+
    2. Zardes, F, 28, 9/2/91, 6'1", 187, USA, DP, $1,421,667/$1,471,667
    3. Mensah, D, 29, 7/13/90, 6'2", 183, Ghana, GC: $800,004/$894,004
    4. Santos, M, 31, 4/22/88, 5'6", 139, Portugal, DP, Int#2: $817,560/$864,560
    5. Nagbe, CM, 29, 7/19/90, 5'9", 165, USA/Liberia, $665,500/$665,500.
    6. Mokhtar, M, 28, 8/29/91, 5'9", 159, Morocco, Int#3, $459,996/$533,845.
    7. de Lima (Artur), M, 23, 3/11/96, 5'11", 154, Brazil, GC: $360,000/$411,633
    8. Afful, D, 33, 7/24/86, 5'6", 135, Ghana, GC, $288,100/$363,800
    9. Room, GK, 30, 2/6/89, 6'3", 179, Curacao & NED, Int#4, $300k/$354,694.
    10. Diaz, M, 20, 12/6/98, 5'11", 159, Costa Rica, Int#5, YDP, $300k/$333,900.
    11. Valenzuela, D, 21, 8/13/98, 5'6", 145, Argentina, GC, Int#6: $290,000/$321,300
    12. Wormgoor, D, 31, 11/16/88, 6'2", 179, Netherlands, INT#7, $???/$???.
    13. Tarbell, GK, 26, 10/7/93, 6'3", 193, USA, $200k/$235k.
    14. J. Williams, D, 31, 4/18/88, 6'2", 185, USA: $215,000/$215,000
    15. Adi, F, 29, 10/10/90, 6'4", 185, Nigeria, GC, $205,000 (of 1,933,333).
    16. Jimenez, D/M, 30, 11/3/88, 5'9", 145, USA: $200,000/$200,000
    17. Sjoberg, D, 28, 3/8/91, 6'7", 210, Sweden, GC, $174,996/$179,996.
    18. W. Francis, D, 29, 9/20/90, 5'9", 160, Costa Rica, GC, $160,000/$199,167
    19. Hamilton, F, 23, 3/17/96, 6'0", 176, Canada, HGI, $124,992/$137,659
    20. Cadden, D/M, 23, 9/19/96, 6'0", 168, Scotland, INT#8, $56,250/same (2019)


    Cadden was Reserve last year. Guessing senior roster now.
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    2. Supplemental Roster: 4 of 4 Players (21-24)

    A) Up to 4 players. Do not count vs. salary cap. Subject to SE Injury Replacement, Disabled List, and Loan exceptions.
    B) May include Senior Minimum Budget Players ($70,250), Generation Adidas players (who may earn more), and Homegrown Players (who may earn more).

    Rank, Player, Pos, Age,DOB, HT, WT, Nat, Desig(s), Base $$/Guar $$

    21. Etienne Jr, M, 23, 11/25/96, 5'10", 160, Haiti/USA, $77,063/$82,063.
    22. Kempin, GK, 26, 4/8/93, 6'1", 175, USA: $71,664/$71,664.
    23. Lampson, GK, 30, 9/6/89, 6'3", 190, USA, $70,250/$70,250
    24. Berry, F, 22, 9/16/97, 6'3", 180, Spain/USA, $???/$???.
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    3. Reserve Roster (25-28). 1 of 4.

    A) Players must be either earning the Reserve Minimum Salary ($56,250) or be Homegrown Players earning more via the HG Subsidy.
    B) Players must be 24 or younger during the League YEAR. As determined by Year of birth, not date (I am not sure what this means exactly, is someone who turns 25 during the season eligible or not?).
    C) Senior Min Players & GA Players cannot occupy these spots.

    Rank, Player, Pos, Age,DOB, HT, WT, Nat, Desig(s), Base $$/Guar $$
    25. Berhalter, CM, 18, 5/10/01, 5'9", 155, USA, HG, $???/$???.
    26. Open
    27. Open
    28. Open

    Cadden was here last year. Doubt it this. Feel free to switch Berhalter & Morris.
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    4. HomeGrown Reserve Roster (29-30). 2 of 2.

    A) Must be Homegrown Players.
    B) Same Budget & Age rules as Reserve Roster 25-28 players.

    Rank, Player, Pos, Age,DOB, HT, WT, Nat, Desig(s), Base $$/Guar $$
    29. Keita, D, 19, 4/6/00, 6'2, 180, USA, HG, $90,000/$110,000
    30. Morris, M, 18, 11/16/01, 5'10", 158, USA, HG, $???/$???.
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    7. Designated Players: 3 of 3

    Zardes, Santos, Zelarayan.

    Zardes & Santos both could be bought down with TAM.
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    8. International Roster Spots: 7 of 9 (lost one in Nagbe deal, got one in Abubakar deal, got one in Trapp deal).

    Santos, Diaz, Room, Mokhtar, Cadden, Zelarayan, Wormgoor.

    Hamilton DOES NOT count as an International. Home Grown International Rule. Etienne is dual US/Haiti.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/mls-roster-rules-and-regulations
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    9. Green Card Holders = 7.
    Mensah, W. Francis, de Lima (Artur), Afful, Sjoberg, Valenzuela, Adi.
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    10. Homegrown Players = 3.

    Keita, Morris, Berhalter.
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    Any corrections, comments, etc are always welcome.
     
  12. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS site has us with 4 DPs with Zelarayan NOT among them (Zardes, Santos, Valenzuela, Diaz).

    In their Power Rankings, they list Chicago as an MLS original.
     
  13. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Diaz is a YDP--so that's correct.
     
  14. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS' website is a bit of mess when it comes to this kind of information right now. There are at least three active Crew rosters you can find, each with different info:

    https://www.columbuscrewsc.com/players
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2019/columbus-crew-sc
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/players?site_path=players&position=All&club=454

    Leaving out the middle link - with is the last update of the 2019 roster - Diaz is listed as a designated player on the last one (the one I think you;re referring to), but not the first (the current roster shown on the Crew site). The Crew page - which seems to me the be the most up-to-date - shows Zelarayan, Zardes and Santos as DPs.

    I'd be surprised if Diaz was a DP this year. He was only one last year because of his transfer fee, and we should have enough garberbux laying around to buy him down in 2020.

    I really hope the league updates this info in the same format as we see in the middle link. It's by far the most informative.
     
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  15. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's a Young DP--different rules.
     
  16. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Also heard Lampson was not 100% which explains why we got Tarbell . Surprised nobody is asking about our back up GK situation
     
  17. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, the salary budget hit for young DPs is different, but young DPs still count toward the total DP limit of three for clubs. Diaz counted as one of our three DPs last season, due to the effect of his $1M transfer fee, not his compensation.

    That said, we know the roster rules will change once the new CBA goes into effect. I'm sure Bez has all the angles figured out on how to build the roster under the latest MLS scheme. I just wish we were allowed to know more about how all of this works. Silly me, I know.
     
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  18. DGA57v2

    DGA57v2 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Apr 1, 2019
    Do you still believe what's written in the MLS site?
     
  19. DGA57v2

    DGA57v2 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Apr 1, 2019
    We did. About a week ago. Where were you?
     
  20. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Not here i mean reporters . I was here for our GK conversations. But we all expected Kempin on the bench with Tarbell as the 3rd guy who doesn’t make the 18. But we never heard much about competition for back up GK and now Kempin misses practice it’s probably nothing but if Ohio State back up QB was the subject it would be a national story .
     
  21. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kempin is in San Diego, ready to play for their USL team.
     
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  22. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    So we loaned him that’s news to me
     
  23. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did sign a 2020 contract with the Crew after last season and we didn't hear anything about him being released so it's certainly possible.
     
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  24. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe someone posted his Instagram post driving down a palm tree lined street. That is what I'm basing it off.
     
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  25. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I’ve seen was this:

     
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