2020 MLS Week 19 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by rh89, Oct 17, 2020.

  1. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    10/17/20
    Chicago Fire vs Sporting Kansas City
    Soldier Field (3:30PM ET)
    REF: Dave Gantar
    AR1: Brian Poeschel
    AR2: Adam Garner
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Chico Grajeda
    AVAR: Eric Boria

    Montreal Impact vs Inter Miami
    Red Bull Arena (7PM ET)
    REF: Tim Ford
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Adam Wienckowski
    4TH: Luis Arroyo
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Kathryn Nesbitt
     
  2. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    10/18/20
    Columbus Crew vs New York City FC
    MAPFRE Stadium (6PM ET)
    REF: Alex Chilowicz
    AR1: Peter Manikowski
    AR2: Peter Balciunas
    4TH: Guido Gonzales Jr
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Kevin Klinger

    New York Red Bulls vs Orlando City
    Red Bull Arena (7PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Robert Sibiga

    FC Cincinnati vs D.C. United
    Nippert Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: Claudiu Badea
    4TH: Matt Thompson
    VAR: Alan Kelly
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Toronto FC vs Atlanta United
    Rentschler Field at Pratt & Whitney Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Fotis Bazakos
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez

    Minnesota United vs Houston Dynamo
    Allianz Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Elton Garcia
    AR1: Jeremy Kieso
    AR2: Benjamin Hall-Volpenhein
    4TH: Ian McKay
    VAR: Chris Penso

    Portland Timbers vs Los Angeles FC
    Providence Park (10PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Jeff Hosking
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Armando Villarreal
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    LA Galaxy vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    Dignity Health Sports Park (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Diego Blas
    4TH: Joe Dickerson
    VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Seattle Sounders
    Earthqakes Stadium (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Kevin Stott
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: TJ Zablocki
    4TH: Michael Radchuk
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert
     
  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting assignment as AR Ian McKay serving as the 4th official in the Minnesota-Houston game.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Note the lack of AVAR. This was a change from the initial assignment.
     
  6. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :eek: Holy hell.

    That's a bad miss in real time. That is an absolutely, incredibly, mind-blowingly inexplicably bad miss with VAR available. He leaves the ground with both feet, comes nowhere near the ball, drives his studs into the side of a player calf, and injures the player. That's about as textbook a red card as it gets.
     
  7. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    jarbitro and GlennAA11 repped this.
  8. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    another interesting review for Chapman in Portland.

    Higuain really wouldn't stop after the end of the match, but I couldn't figure out what he was so upset about. So I guess eventually he got to the magic words.
     
  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I guess the red card is appropriate, but looks pretty silly when you take all that crap from Perez and Higuain after the final whistle and do nothing and then run after Higuain to show the red card.

    So whatever he said at the beginning of the video wasn't offensive enough?
     
  10. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For anyone watching the full match or at least full sequence... was anything else going on in that time period that would have been checked? Also, how quickly was play restarted when the yellow was eventually shown (I presume not that quickly, given the injury, but I could be wrong)?

    Just wondering if there was anything related to the lack of AVAR that could have resulted in an inefficient check here. Because, obviously, it's surprising that this didn't prompt a review.
     
  12. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    10/19/20
    New England Revolution vs Philadelphia Union
    Gillette Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Matthew Nelson
    4TH: Adam Kilpatrick
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Tom Supple
     
  13. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't see more than the highlight, but it was in the tenth minute, and the R gave advantage then a caution. So he's probably telling the VAR "I saw it, I have a caution." Early in the game, the VAR is likely to have a higher threshold for review on a play the R is dogmatic about. Obviously it was a very bad miss, I'm just guessing that the time of game might explain why both the R/VAR missed it. I mean, even if the VAR was checking something else, what with the injury and leaving the game there would be time to check that.
     
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  14. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Is there any angle from the side of this play? All the angles shown in MLS’s highlight package are from behind and aren’t super useful. Working from those angles alone, I agree with the yellow card. Yellow is absolutely plenty for that challenge, largely because the opponent actually brings his own head quite low towards Williamson’s arm as he challenges for the ball. I don’t think an OFR was warranted in this case.

    And on the Minnesota - Houston play: like others here I am very surprised to see no OFR! Straight leg, studs to the calf from behind, it’s an unfortunate miss.
     
  15. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chapman's review is particularly interesting because it involves contact with the arm to the opponent's head *after* the offending player is fouled (albeit by a matter of a split second), which is likely why the VAR felt obligated to recommend a review.
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the word "obligated" is doing a lot of work there.

    I didn't love Chapman's review a few weeks ago. I think he handled this one incredibly well, despite the larger optics and result being similar.
     
  17. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Take it with a grain of salt but Penso (VAR) must have discussed this at a NISOA clinic this week and admitted it was a pretty bad miss on his part.
     
  18. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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