2020-2021 UEFA Referee Discussion [R]

The kicks from the mark were entertaining. Turpin looked calm and poised, and AR2 placed his furled flag on the ground. That's all I have!

 

Wow I didn't even notice this on the highlights. Interesting though.

 

Maybe it was just me but I thought the final wasn't too bad! At least there were some interesting scenes for the officials.

52' - https://streamable.com/gdpq85
64' - https://streamable.com/egyjk6
84' - https://streamable.com/m5ahyh
113' - https://streamable.com/x5mvml

In general I agree that Turpin was fine/good without excelling.

 

The most interesting thing during that game was probably when the AR flagged one way for a throw in and Turpin overruled him and then the AR switched his flag above his shoulder.

 

AR playing too much fifa

 

Good reffing by Lahoz to play advantage and then after a really long period of time return to YC Gundogan. However, looking back at the foul... yikes. I think no one expects a RC both because it lacks force, it's a final, and it's the first misconduct, but it's a bad challenge, high on the leg.

 

Wow, on that Chelsea goal - had Havertz not scored, Ederson could have been sent off for DOGSO-H. Good advantage by Lahoz...

 

did he play advantage? I think he just let play continue.
I thought Lahoz was solid. I think he uses too much expressive hand gestures. And the last couple mins of stoppage time I think he could’ve handled better.

 

Doesn’t matter, but may have been tough for him to even see the hand there.

Well, I don’t think we know if he saw the handling from his angle or not or if he thought it was inadvertent rather than deliberate (or all that other stuff). But if he saw it, thought it was an offense, and waited, he did play advantage by letting the goal stand—and may not have ever signaled advantage as the goal makes the advantage clear.

 

There was lots of pointing without obvious purpose. Like he was pointing out somebody to come back and caution, or calling a random goal kick just for fun.

I loved his tough-love card to Rutiger, help him up with the right and before letting him go carding him with the left.

 

he was great

it’s nice to see a human out there rather than some robot. his expressions are part of the package, and he managed the entire game very well.

Bravo Mateu!

 

I disagree with the breadth of the statement. On this play, I’m pretty sure it should be handball, but once the GK leaves the PA, he’s just another player and has to be judged accordingly—he should have no more responsibility to hide his arms than any other player. (Perhaps the burden of proof tweaks slightly, but GKs shouldn’t be sent off for handling that doesn’t meet the criteria any more than any other player.

 

Totally disagree with that one.

 

I agree with this as well. In my experience even at the lower level games that I do, the referees who act robotic rarely interacting with players/coaches tend to have the worst game management skills, while the ones more willing to talk, explain decisions, etc. seem to handle games better. The robotic ones are the ones who tend to give refs a bad name, making people think we are all arrogant authoritarians too good to talk to players, which I think is part of why people then treat refs like shit because we seem detached from the rest of the humans.

I had no idea who this ref was since I don't really follow soccer outside of the biggest matches, apparently the opinion of this guy seemed to be that he is a pretty good ref but is pretty flamboyant and makes the game about himself which seemed pretty true after watching it.

 

Belgian Manager Roberto Martinez has come out to say the Rudiger-KDB challenge should have been a red card. I know DeBruyne suffered serious injuries, but I don’t think there is anything in there besides a yellow card. Rudiger stepped into the path of KDB, and height played the definitive factor for me. Can’t re-referee after you see the injury.

 

I'm always entertained by a manager's comments after a match...especially the loser. Back in the 90's Manu crushed Nott. Forest 8-1. Ron Atkinson lamented, "I still fancied our chances when it was 7-1 but that last goal killed us!

Ps...Solskjaer, as a sub, scored 4 goals in the last 20 min.

 

I'd also consider Martinez's primary job as Belgium's manager in the context of this comment. Martinez is in the studio watching his top playmaker go down with a pretty serious injury. It was absolutely a caution, but I think Martinez was thinking about the impact this may have on his team when making that comment.

 

All VARs for the EURO will be in Nyon, Roberto Rosetti announced in a press conference today. Referees are being instructed to be strict on dissent and not to be taken in by easy falls (in the penalty area).

 

What's the over/under on how many games are played before it's clear that isn't actually happening?

 

Actually, this time I think that's a little unfair. If you watch UEFA matches this last KO stage, you will see (most) referees always cautioning a player in a mobbing scene, even a card at 6' for dissent in CL this season. So I hope the EURO continues in the same vain!

 

I sincerely hope you're right. Anything that actually challenged dissent instead of being lip service would be so welcome to the Game.

(Carding one player for a mob of dissent is a pretty low bar, but I'll take any progress we can get!! But wouldn't it be nice to have a Game where mobbing the ref just wasn't a thing anymore?)