2019 WWC Refereeing

Discussion in 'Women's World Cup' started by lil_one, Dec 22, 2017.

  1. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Yeah I don't think any women referee has actually worked in a VAR room so far.
     
  2. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe this to be incorrect, but certainly not enough have done so to fully staff a tournament the size of the WC.
     
  3. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to the article posted, 3 US women have some experience with it because they officiate MLS.
     
  4. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    FIFA Referees’ Committee – represented by Collina, Head of FIFA’s Referees Department Massimo Busacca, and Kari Seitz, FIFA’s Senior Manager of Refereeing – announced with regret that experienced Canadian referee Carol Anne Chenard and Chinese assistant referee Yongmei Cui will no longer be able to take part in the Women’s World Cup for health reasons.

    Chenard has been diagnosed with breast cancer, while Cui has been advised not to participate by doctors due to heart problems. The two officials will not be replaced. Chenard’s two assistant referees, Chantal Boudreau and Kathryn Nesbitt, will be in France and will feature regularly in matches.

    26 referees and 46 assistant referees left then..
     
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  5. BlueCrimson

    BlueCrimson Member+

    North Carolina Courage
    United States
    Nov 21, 2012
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel just as bad for refs who have to miss out on big tournaments as I do players. To put in all the time and effort preparing for a big occasion and having something that's beyond their control take that moment away has to be the worst feeling in the world. I wish nothing but the best for them going forward.
     
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  6. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1st Match - France v Korea Republic
    • Referee:
      Claudia UMPIERREZ URU
    • Assistant Referee 1:
      Luciana MASCARANA URU
    • Assistant Referee 2:
      Monica AMBOYA ECU
    • Fourth official:
      Melissa BORJAS HON
    • Video Assistant Referee:
      Mauro VIGLIANO ARG
    • Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1:
      Felisha MARISCAL USA
    • Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2:
      Jose Maria SANCHEZ ESP
     
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  7. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Umpierrez the umpire comes back! :D
     
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  8. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, I didn't get to watch, but will see highlights later - how did the referee team do?
     
  9. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Good VAR decision disallowing a French goal. No bookings, quite consistent no big errors.
     
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  10. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thx
     
  11. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The decision was indeed good, but a lot of people hated it anyway.

    I guess basically the number of the haters of this specific decision was equal to the number of those who hated the VAR in general, like me, so I don't want to start another rant; suffice to say: I don't like stopping the game for the VAR; I don't like disallowing beautiful goals like 'Mbock-Bathy's one for minimal, irrelevant infractions.
    Of course, if I have to live in a world with VAR (something I'd prefer to avoid), yesterday's decision was correct.
     
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  12. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For those who wanted to keep track of referee assignments (oh, just me? well anyway...), I'm catching up here:

    Matches that have already taken place:

    Germany – China
    Referee: Marie-Soleil Beaudoin (CAN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Princess Brown (JAM)
    Assistant Referee 2: Stephanie Yee Sing (JAM)
    Fourth Official: Lucila Venegas (MEX)
    Reserve AR: Mayte Chavez (MEX)
    VAR: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
    AVAR 1: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
    AVAR 2: Sarah Jones (NZL)

    Spain – South Africa
    Referee: Maria Carvajal (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 1: Leslie Vasquez (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 2: Loreto Toloza (CHI)
    Fourth Official: Laura Fortunato (ARG)
    Reserve AR: Mary Blanco (COL)
    VAR: Mauro Vigliano (ARG)
    AVAR 1: Tiago Martins (POR)
    AVAR 2: Mariana Almeida (ARG)

    Norway – Nigeria
    Referee: Kate Jacewicz (AUS)
    Assistant Referee 1: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Chantal Boudreau (CAN)
    Fourth Official: Casey Relbelt (AUS)
    Reserve AR: Maiko Hagio (JPN)
    VAR: Danny Makkelie (NED)
    AVAR 1: Mohammed Abdulla (UAE)
    AVAR 2: Lucie Ratajova (CZE)

    Australia – Italy
    Referee: Melissa Borjas (HON)
    Assistant Referee 1: Shirley Perello (HON)
    Assistant Referee 2: Felisha Mariscal (USA)
    Fourth Official: Ekaterina Koroleva (USA)
    Reserve AR: Enedina Caudillo (MEX)
    VAR: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
    AVAR 1: Jose Maria Sanchez (ESP)
    AVAR 2: Luciana Mascarana (URU)

    Brazil – Jamaica
    Referee: Riem Hussein (GER)
    Assistant Referee 1: Kylie Cockburn (SCO)
    Assistant Referee 2: Mihaela Tepusa (ROU)
    Fourth Official: Kateryna Monzul ( UKR )
    Reserve AR: Petruta Iugulescu (ROU)
    VAR: Bastian Dankert (GER )
    AVAR 1: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
    AVAR 2: Maryna Striletska (UKR)

    England – Scotland
    Referee: Jana Adamkova (CZE)
    Assistant Referee 1: Lucie Ratajova (CZE)
    Assistant Referee 2: Maria Sukenikova (SVK)
    Fourth Official: Anastasia Pustovoitova (RUS)
    Reserve AR: Sanja Rodjak (CRO)
    VAR: Felix Zwayer (GER)
    AVAR 1: Pawel Gil (POL)
    AVAR 2: Ekaterina Kurochkina (RUS)

    And upcoming matches:

    Argentina – Japan
    Referee: Stephanie Frappart (FRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
    Fourth Official: Anna-Marie Keighley (NZL)
    Reserve AR: Sarah Jones (NZL)
    VAR: Clement Turpin (FRA)
    AVAR 1: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
    AVAR 2: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)

    Canada – Cameroon
    Referee: Ri Hyang-ok (PRK)
    Assistant Referee 1: Hong Kum-nyo (PRK)
    Assistant Referee 2: Kim Kyoung-min (KOR)
    Fourth Official: Qin Liang ( CHN)
    Reserve AR: Lee Suel Gi (KOR)
    VAR: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
    AVAR 1: Abdulla Mohammed (UAE)
    AVAR 2: Sian Massey (ENG)

    New Zealand-Netherlands
    Referee: Referee: Edina Alves Batista (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Neuza Back (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Tatiane Sacilotti (BRA)
    Fourth Official: Maria Belem Carjaval (CHI)
    VAR: Carlos Del Cerro (ESP)

    Chile-Sweden
    Referee: Lucila Venegas (MEX)
    Assistant Referee 1: Mayte Chavez (MEX)
    Assistant Referee 2: Enedina Caudillo (MEX)
    Fourth Official: Marie-Soleil Beaudoin (CAN)
    VAR: Christopher Beath (AUS)

    USA-Thailand
    Referee: Laura Fortunato (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 1: Mariana De Almeida (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 2: Mary Blanco (COL)
    Fourth Official: Claudia Umpierrez (URU)
    VAR: Mauro Vigliano (ARG)
     
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  13. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Crap VAR decision but not the VAR crew's fault - it's a problem with overusing technology to mess with the spirit of the laws and the beauty of the game. Without VAR, no one would complain about the M'Bock-Bathy's goal being allowed to stand. How is an attacker to correctly judge to that level of precision? Her eyes are in her head, not in her toes which are offside.
     
  14. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hell, we don't even know if the technology is good enough to know if the decision was correct. As a discussion in the Referee Forum pointed out, the FPS (Frames per Second) resolution may be inadequate to tell us accurately if someone's off by a matter of a few inches.
     
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  15. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I have alluded to this elsewhere, but FIFA needs to rethink its handball in the box rule. Its enforcement is far too harsh, and in my view the defender should be given the benefit the doubt unless it is seems very likely that s/he intentionally tried to deflect the ball. Of course that almost NEVER happens.

    Let's start by asking this question: What is a handball? It is almost always a REFLEX movement by a player, which means it is inadvertent and, really, uncontrollable. If you are standing 8 or 10 yards from a player who is driving his or her foot into a ball that is heading for your head, your arms will move reflexively, whether you want them to move or not. I'm not sure where came this idea that defenders are supposed to perform athletically in the box but essentially not use their arms as they are doing so, so that the ball won't //accidentally// hit your arm or hand. It's absurd. And nothing illustrates the absurdity of the rule more than when we see players who actually put their arms behind their back when defending in the box, to avoid any accidental contact. You can't perform athletically with your arms at your side, much less behind your back; it is unnatural.

    In the South Africa--Spain match, the SA defender got called for a handball because the ball was coming at her and she turned her body (in the air, as I recall). In turning her left arm came away from her body somewhat--not a lot but beyond the "silhouette," as I hear is the rule, whatever that is, and the ball clipped her elbow. Penalty, PK, and Spain tied the game. It was almost certainly accidental contact between the defender and the ball--and I do not believe that PKs should be awarded for accidental contact between a player and the ball. Why would you?

    It's funny, too: We often hear fans refer to calls that are "harsh." That's really the soccer term for calls that are unfair, in a lot of cases. I hear some fans saying, well, the rules are the rules. I guess, but unfair rules should be changed.

    South Africa lost because of two "harsh" calls--the 2nd because of a supposed "reckless" play in the box by another SA defender, who, after clearing the ball away, dug her spikes into the leg of a Spanish player. It was another //accidental// play. The SA player fell backwards after kicking the ball, which is why her foot went up and into the Spanish player. Can an accidental play cannot be a "reckless" play? Apparently, some soccer fans/officials think so, but I am not one of them. And the referee did not make the call--the VAR official did. Should have been a no call. Instead, a PK was awarded to Spain--for accidental contact, I repeat--and the resulting goal was the winning goal. Unfair, I say.
     
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  16. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nigeria : South Korea
    Referee: Anastasia Pustovoytova (RUS)
    Assistant Referee 1: Ekaterina Kurochkina (RUS)
    Assistant Referee 2: Petruta Iugulescu (ROU)
    Fourth Official: Ekaterina Koroleva (USA)
    VAR: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)

    France : Norway
    Referee: Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)
    Assistant Referee 1: Katrin Rafalski (GER)
    Assistant Referee 2: Chrysoula Kourompylia (GRE)
    Fourth Official: Riem Hussein (GER)
    VAR: Felix Zwayer (GER)

    Germany : Spain
    Referee: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
    Assistant Referee 1: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
    Assistant Referee 2: Oleksandra Ardasheva(UKR)
    Fourth Official: Sandra Braz (POR)
    VAR: Danny Makkelie (NED)
     
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  17. fire123

    fire123 Member+

    Jul 31, 2009
    The law does consider the distance where the ball came from, around 3 yards, which is a more reasonable distance. If a ball comes from 8, 10 yards away and you cannot pull your arm away, then you have no business playing.
    Some of these handlings that were called at this World cup were absolutely correct. The defenders' arm were extending far beyond their bodies or the arms were moved toward the ball, not away.
    This was also a correct call, the defender did more than clearing the ball, she extended her leg, with studs up into the other's body, that was clearly a foul.
    When you play the ball in a vicinity of a player, you should be extra careful. It's not the same as when you are by yourself. A lot of players, in this same situation, pull their legs back. This player did the opposite.
     
  18. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Next group of assignments:

    Australia - Brazil
    Referee: Esther STAUBLI (SUI)
    Assistant Referee 1: Sian MASSEY (ENG)
    Assistant Referee 2: Susanne Küng (SUI)
    Fourth Official: Stéphanie FRAPPART (FRA)
    Video Assistant Referee: Bastian DANKERT (GER)

    South Africa - China
    Referee: Katalin KULCSAR (HUN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Katalin TOROK (HUN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Sanja RODAK (CRO)
    Fourth Official: Jana ADAMKOVA (CZE)
    Video Assistant Referee: Christopher BEATH (AUS)
     
  19. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There has been the discussion about intent since handball was first made a FK. In the current context, though, the question is how to define intent when somebody is defending, trying to prevent/block a shot or pass. These are high level athletes who have very good body control, but they also need to balance themselves, instinctively. So where is somebody manipulating versus being in a natural position? And what happens if the person is in a natural position, yet the ball still strikes their outstretched arm/hand? Take Sissoko in the CL final? Was he trying to hand the ball? No. Was he in a natural position? Sure. Was it a handball? Yes (and I say this as a Spurs supporter.). Same goes for the hand ball v. South Africa. Unfortunate, but clear. And it could have gone the other way. The issue, to me, is consistency. If it is called consistently, then there is really no problem.

    As a former defender, I can tell you that, no, it is not always a reflex movement. There are many times I did things which a less fit person would not be able to do, because I had control of my body. It is very easy to adjust arm position to make it look like a reflex when it is not.

    As a side note, and taking this off topic to reference a previous conversation/discussion and to clarify, this is how the boded can be used appropriately. (And L'orange, I'm not intending this to be directed at you - it is for everybody.)
     
  20. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    I didn't watch the game, but watching that play knowing Spain got a penalty and the player was sent off pissed me off a bit. Crazy.
     
  21. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Next assignments:

    Jamaica-Italy
    Referee: Anna-Marie KEIGHLEY (NZL)
    Assistant Referee 1: Sarah JONES (NZL)
    Assistant Referee 2: Maria SALAMASINA (SAM)
    Fourth Official: Claudia UMPIERREZ (URU)
    VAR: Danny MAKKELIE (NED)

    Japan-Scotland
    Referee: Lidya Tafesse ABEBE (ETH)
    Assistant Referee 1: Mary NJOROGE (KEN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Queency VICTOIRE (MRI)
    Fourth Official: Gladys LENGWE (ZAM)
    VAR: Massimiliano IRRATI (ITA)

    England-Argentina
    Referee: Liang QIN (CHN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Yang FANG (CHN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Min Kyoung KIM (KOR)
    Fourth Official: Hyang Ok RI (PRK)
    VAR: Felix ZWAYER (GER)
     
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  22. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Between the handball rules and the follow through contact leading to two penalties, the defenders job is getting harder and harder.
     
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  23. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    It's nice to see that the VAR has eliminated all controversies.

    Oh, wait a minute....
     
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  24. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Indeed it has created different ones
     
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  25. fire123

    fire123 Member+

    Jul 31, 2009
    Only if you do not know the LOTG.
     
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