2019 Gold Cup Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, May 17, 2019.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So since Lopez didn't get USA-Panama, my best guess is now:

    Mexico-Costa Rica - PITTI
    Canada - Haiti - MARRUFO
    United States - Curucao - GUERRERO
    Jamaica - Panama - LOPEZ

    That allows Barton on one semifinal (Mexico-Canada?) and Bejarano on the other (USA-Jamaica?). Then one of the QF refs does the final, based on both performance and which teams make it.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By the way, since it became the "Gold Cup," the only time a Mexican or American referee did the Final was the first edition--1991--when Brizio Carter had it.

    Yes, Mexico or the US have always been in the Final other than 2000, but it's only actually been a US-Mexico match 5 out of 14 times, so there have been plenty of opportunities for a Mexican or American referee.

    In 2000, neither team made the semis. And Mexico didn't make the semis in 2002 or 2005, so those were clear opportunities even if a "semi" rule exists.

    Makes you wonder if there's an unwritten rule that the Final must go to a lesser country.
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mexico-Costa Rica - PITTI (PAN)
    Canada - Haiti - MARRUFO (USA)

    Elfath is FO to Marrufo.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently it’s Frank Anderson and Parker with Marrufo. Odd. But the assigning of ARs at Gold Cup has always been odd.
     
  5. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Jamaica - Panama: ESCOBAR (GUA)
    USA - Curacao: ESCOBEDO (MEX)
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was so close. All four nationalities and two referees on the right matches.

    I guess Escobedo was better than Guerrero and López is being saved. The only surprise for me is Escobar is rated highly—I didn’t realize that.
     
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  7. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So I have a question. How is it that a US referee cannot work a Mexico match but a Mexican referee can do a US match? I genuinely am curious how CONCACAF politics work regarding assigning.
     
  8. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Mark Geiger did the Mexico - Panama semifinal at Gold Cup 2015.
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marrufo’s dad was a Mexican FIFA referee. The restriction is only on him.

    Geiger, Vaughn, Stott and Hall have all done México in competitive matches. So will Elfath.
     
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  10. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Thank you both. I wondered if there was some magic internal policy that CONCACAF used to limit this.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marrufo definitely doesn’t believe in the concept of a reckless UB card on a penalty. He’s philosophically opposed.

    That said, he and his team seem to be doing well.
     
  12. USSF REF

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    That's a great offside decision by Anderson to rule out Canada's tying goal.
     
  13. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Shhh. Don't bring up THAT game.
     
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  14. USSF REF

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    After this game I am going to call Marrufo "Tweety." the whistling is driving me nuts.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Parker to allow the second Canadian goal. No VAR needed.
     
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  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    He's just philosophical opposes to yellow cards in general.

    But who am I to judge. His style works and will get him to two World Cups and another MLS Cup.
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Players are practically begging for cards at this 29’ stoppage. When will referees start realizing that giving them will help their case?
     
  18. Unnaturallybigger

    United States
    Jun 28, 2019
    100%. That took forever.
     
  19. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I'm really wondering when this shift of, seemingly across the board at all levels, of doing everything in your power to not give cards started to occur?

    Watching the Copa America, the World Cup, and this and seeing obvious and easy yellow cards ignored or managed just doesn't make for entertaining soccer. It kills the flow of the game and then add on the delay for VAR reviews for disallowed goals just kills the rhythm of soccer and what makes the sport so great.
     
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  20. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  21. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    VAR would really help there, regardless how is there no yellow for DOGSO if penalty?

    We've gone from an era of seemingly referees giving yellows for any foul in the box to an era of not giving yellow at all?
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s DOGSO.

    It’s also outside the penalty area.

    Interesting. Gutsy call. Mostly correct. But the most important component is wrong.
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was putting a card back away I thought. Shown during replay?
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Yellow was shown.
     
  25. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I just checked the ESPN play-by-play and it says he was given a card.
     

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