2019 CONCACAF League and 2020 Champions League

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  1. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Of course one has to keep in mind that Tigres didn't bring the first squad to the second leg that year. Tigres coach Tuca Ferretti didn't prioritize the CCL for many years and now can't win one when he does try. :D

    It's a good draw for the Sounders but Saprissa, depending on their form, could be dangerous for both Montreal and Seattle.
     
  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  3. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Here's the bracket. That bottom half is crazy.

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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its called ESPN+ ;)
     
  5. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Really it's more beIN.

    ESPN+ will have a nice setup carved out when it adds the Bundesliga of course, but it should look into adding the Libertadores or the Brazilian league or something in that vein. Perhaps the China Super League, make it a "sun never sets on soccer" kind of deal.

    And yeah, someone better than Yahoo needs to grab the CCL. These are legitimately compelling games, it's not like they have to invent hype out of whole cloth.
     
  6. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which I have, and do enjoy. But there is no Argentine Primera which is a terrific league to follow and there is no Copa Sudamericana or Copa Libertadores action. All this FSW used to regularly have on display. I recall watching D.C. United vs. Univ. Catolica in the 2005 Copa Sudamericana for example. Now it is all yahoo.com streaming for MLS regional play.
     
  7. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    FSW was awesome, such a random assortment of stuff.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one for whom that channel was very influential in getting turned on to soccer in the first place.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Counting my chickens here but I wonder what sort of attendance NYCFC vs. Tigres would attract at Giants Stadium.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ESPN+ does have the Chinese league, doesn't it? It also has the A-League.
     
  10. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Huh, I guess I ought to dig in there further.
     
  11. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    I'm sure Tigres fans will turn out in very nice numbers in that highly unlikely scenario.
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Looks like a Tigres vs America final or Tigres vs. Cruz Azul
     
  13. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Well FSC was the reason I still hear random dial tones in my sleep nowadays.

    One of my favorite early MLS quirks was back when the league just put all the non-ESPN broadcasts on MLSnet dot com for free to stream at 350k. Every once in a while, if you just never closed the window to the FSC stream you could keep watching FSC for a day or two and get the Sunday Premier League games.
     
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  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
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  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the Indian Super League.
     
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2020 CONCACAF Champions League
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET

    First Leg
    Tuesday, February 18
    Portmore United (JAM) v. Cruz Azul (MEX) 8:00 pm
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Atlanta United (USA) 10:00 pm
    Club Leon (MEX) v. Los Angeles FC (USA) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, February 19
    D. Saprissa (CRC) v. Montreal Impact (CAN) 8:00 pm
    Alianza FC (SLV) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 8:00 pm
    Comunicaciones (GUA) v. Club America (MEX) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, February 20

    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. New York City FC (USA) 8:00 pm
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Seattle Sounders (USA) 10:00 pm

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, February 25
    Atlanta United (USA) v. FC Motagua (HON) 8:00 pm
    Cruz Azul (MEX) v. Portmore United (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, February 26
    New York City FC (USA) v. AD San Carlos (CRC) 6:00 pm
    Montreal Impact (CAN) v. D. Saprissa (CRC) 8:00 pm
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Club America (MEX) v. Comunicaciones (GUA) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, February 27
    Seattle Sounders (USA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm
    Los Angeles FC (USA) v. Club Leon (MEX) 10:00 pm

    The Quarterfinals start on March 10.
     
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  17. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And now for something completely different: an MLS team declaring the CCL a priority before they even get there :cool:



    Personally still haven't figured out my allegiances here in Florida (born and raised in Gainesville, living in Broward - I'm essentially a free agent :D ), but it's a personal goal of mine to be there the first time a Champions League game is played in my home state.
     
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  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #168 Paul Calixte, Jan 21, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2020
    Mind you (and for once, I didn't bother our regional expert @EvanJ and did the research myself :D ), it wouldn't be the first time a team from Florida played continental ball: apparently the St. Petersburg Kickers got dropped by América in 1990. Couldn't find any footage, so you'll just have to make do with the 1989 US Open Cup title that presumably qualified them:



    Back to the current edition: even as a fan of int'l soccer tournaments in general, seeing them as intrinsically valuable, and even though the numbers below don't take the travel grants that Concacaf gives each away team into account, they're still pretty damning.

     
  19. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No Florida team was involved, but in the 2002 CCC the San Jose Earthquakes played Olimpia at the Orange Bowl for some reason. It was Olimpia's home leg.
     
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  20. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    It sure feels to me like the time is right and the interests are aligned to really push the CCL.

    And this ought to be an area in which the total crookedness of the three big players here (USSF, FMF, and CONCACAF) works to the advantage of the competition. Plenty of slush to go around if they can do it right.

    On the US side, for god's sake SUM, serve some purpose and roll MLS, USOC and CCL into a single TV deal.
     
  21. DCYC

    DCYC Member

    Chivas, DC United, Reno 1868
    Mar 24, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    With all this Liga MX - MLS transfer galore, I think we are heading towards the best CCL thread in thistory of BigSoccer.
     
  22. usadcu

    usadcu Member

    Aug 25, 2005
    Alexandria, VA
    Also not CCL but on December 5th, 1998, the second leg of the Copa Interamericana was played at Lockhart as Vasco da Gama's "home" game. DC United, as 1998 CCC champs, won 2-0 to win the cup 2-1 on aggregate.
     
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  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the sources

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/comments/eicved/top_continental_tournament_prize_pools_as_a/

    According to concacaf they spend 69 million in all competitions.

    I do not see a breakdown on what revenues are from the CCL to compare to the prize money (plus other subsidies) vs the CCL revenues.

    It looks like they took the total revenue of Concacaf and divided the prize money of the CCL from it.

    http://congress.concacaf.com/34/en/122-1

    The UEFA numbers are divided between competitions, but behind a paywall.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/279067/uefa-champions-league-revenue/

    This one does say that the 3 million in revenues are from the Champions and Europa league revenues, so it seems that they separate National team competitions from Club competitions.


    https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2616268.html



    So it is not apples to apples.

    In Europe Club competition makes a lot more money than the National competitions.

    In other Federations, specially Concacaf, it is the reverse, The Gold Cup is what makes Concacaf their money, the CCL does not.
     
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  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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