2019 Concacaf Champions League [Multiple R]

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by Paul Calixte, Dec 2, 2018.

  1. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    After Round of 16 I tought one MLS team will win finally the CCL this year. After first leg of quarterfinals, mexicans played fotball and show that are the kings of concacaf. I bet a final Tigres vs Monterrey :d Hope Tigres will win this year, they deserve it. Monterrey have already 3 trophies
     
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  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    First leg results:

    2019 CONCACAF Champions League
    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, times are ET

    First Leg
    Tuesday, March 5
    NY Red Bulls (USA) 0-2 Santos Laguna (MEX)
    Houston Dynamo (USA) 0-2 Tigres UANL (MEX)

    Wednesday, March 6
    Club Atletico Independiente (PAN) 2-1 Sporting Kansas City (USA)
    CF Monterrey (MEX) 3-0 Atlanta United (USA)


    Second Leg
    Tuesday, March 12
    Santos Laguna (MEX) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm Yahoo/UDN
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Houston Dynamo (USA) 11:00 pm Yahoo/UDN


    Wednesday, March 13
    Atlanta United (USA) v. CF Monterrey (MEX) 8:00 pm Yahoo/UDN

    Thursday, March 14

    Sporting Kansas City (USA) v. Club Atletico Independiente (PAN) 8:00 pm Yahoo/UDN

    The Semifinals start on April 2.
     
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  3. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I'm an idiot, I was busy forgot to watch at last night. Can't wait for the second legs. Thanks for posting the results.
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only five countries have had CCL Semifinalists, and Panama could make six. Mexico, USA, Canada, and Costa Rica have had the most. The most recent Semifinalist outside those four was the Puerto Rico Islanders in the first CCL in 2008-2009. Outside those five, the most recent country with a Semifinalist was Honduras when Olimpia lost the Final 3-2 at Los Angeles in the 2000 CCC in January 2001. That was the final tournament to have each leg be one game. The Quarterfinals were in Fullerton, which is a suburb of Los Angeles, and the Semifinals and Finals were in Los Angeles. Panama has never had a Semifinalist in the CCC or CCL. For many years, they didn't have any clubs enter.

    If you think the CCL has had big margins of victory, in 1977, Municipal beat Diriangen 13-1 and 3-1.

    If you think that aggregate goals always mattered, in the second tournament in 1963, one Semifinal was between Xelaju of Guatemala and Racing Haitien of Haiti. Both legs were played in Guatemala, with the first game at Xelaju and the second game in Guatemala City. Racing Haitien won 4-1 away on July 7 and lost 3-1 at Guatemala City on July 14. The aggregate was 5-4 in favor of Racing Haitien, but Wikipedia says "due to each team having won one match, a play-off was needed." The playoff was July 17 in Guatemala City, and Racing Haitien won 2-1. They had to play the same Guatemalan club in Guatemala three times. The tournament had a strange format with byes. That was in Round 2. Saprissa won in Round 1 and got a bye in Round 2. Chivas got a bye in Round 1 and won in Round 2. Then they beat Saprissa in Round 3. Racing Haitien got a bye in Round 3. They had a hard time getting passports to go to Mexico, and protests made CONCACAF go back and forth. Racing Haitien were declared champions because Chivas decided to forfeit the rescheduled Final because they were touring Europe.
     
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  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't get my blood boiling, man - Haiti clowned El Salvador in their own house 3-0 in 1969 and won the aggregate 3-1, but because those weren't the rules, they went to a third game that El Salvador won en route to the 1970 World Cup.
     
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  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So as Matt Doyle (MLS's Armchair Analyst) likes to say, Santos Laguna shoved NYRB into the woodchipper in the second half.

    Thanks to that comprehensive comeback, Santos Laguna have not only made the semifinals, but guaranteed that they will host the second leg at the TSM.
     
  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  8. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
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  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #84 EvanJ, Mar 13, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2019
    Santos looks better than Tigres.

    I'll do the Semifinal second leg hosting scenarios. In all cases assume the club does enough to advance:

    Sporting Kansas City:
    Monterrey doesn't win the second leg

    Independiente:
    Win or draw second leg and Monterrey doesn't win the second leg or
    Win second leg and Monterrey wins the second leg by the same amount or
    Win second leg and Monterrey wins the second leg by 1 more than Independiente and Monterrey scores no more than 2 more than Independiente or
    Lose second leg and Atlanta advances

    Monterrey:
    Win second leg by at least 2 more than Independiente
    Win second leg by 1 more than Independiente and scores at least 4 more than Independiente
    Win second leg by 1 more than Independiente and scores 3 more than Independiente

    Atlanta cannot host the second leg.

    Edit: I looked at the tiebreakers from the regulations. At first I didn't notice that away goals are used after goals. Since Independiente has scored more home goals than Monterrey, if Independiente and Monterrey advance with the same amount of points, goal differential, and goals scored, Monterrey will host the second leg because of more away goals. I originally wrote about the possibility of drawing of lots, but that can't be necessary.
     
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  10. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    So it's not just a pre-bracket? I didn't know that. I assumed a north Mexico semi-final between Santos Lagunas and Tigres from Monterrey.
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The bracket is fixed but hosting order depends on results in the first two rounds.

    One semifinal will be Tigres v. Santos. The other will be the Monterrey/Atlanta winner v. Independiente/SKC winner.
     
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  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Atlanta won 1-0. Monterrey won the aggregate 3-1. Monterrey will host the first leg regardless of tomorrow's winner.
     
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  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only times the CCL Semifinals had a club not from Liga MX or MLS but not an MLS club were Alajuelense in 2013-2014 and Puerto Rico Islanders in 2008-2009. Going back to the CCC, in 2006 the Semifinals were Toluca vs. Saprissa and America vs. Alajuelense. It happened 3 times in the 21 complete tournaments with MLS clubs.
     
  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man, that's a lot of wording just to avoid having to mention 2014-15 :D Costa Rica must still be kicking themselves about that tournament, when we were this close to an all-tico Final, if Liga had scored one more at home and Herediano had just parked the bus rather than going full headless chicken at the Azteca.
     
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  15. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The Panamanian league has been the 3rd best league in CCL from for a while now haven’t they
     
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  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #91 Paul Calixte, Mar 15, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2019
    ...but Indepe's loss yesterday night means that Panama will just miss out on a top seed for next season. Pot 1 will include USA1-4, CAN1 and MEX1-3.

    Then again, thanks to Concacaf relegating Central America's top seeds to the Concacaf League, PAN1 now has to worry about even qualifying for the CCL in the first place :rolleyes:
     
  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #92 EvanJ, Mar 16, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2019
    Sorry I missed that. Alajuelense won two of the four Knockout Round games and one of their four Group Stage games. They won every home game except a draw against Cruz Azul in the Group Stage. They got two draws away in the Group Stage and two losses away in the Knockout Rounds. They had 6 points and +1 in the Group Stage and 6 points and +2 in the Knockout Rounds.

    Since Los Angeles won the second and most recent title by an MLS club in 2000/January 2001, Canadian MLS clubs have reached the Final more than American ones. If SKC reaches the Final, it will make two of each. That includes Champions Cups when Canada couldn't have a club, but MLS didn't have any Finalists in between Los Angeles and Real Salt Lake in 2010-2011. In the last four complete tournaments, the Canadian club reached the Semifinals three times, and the other time it had four Mexican clubs. That isn't true this time. Before Sporting Kansas City, the last MLS clubs to reach the Semifinals and go farther than the Canadian club were Los Angeles and Seattle in 2012-2013.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The semifinal schedule (all times US Eastern, home team first)...

    Wednesday, April 3:

    Tigres UANL (MEX) vs. Santos Laguna (MEX), 10:00 p.m.

    Thursday, April 4:

    CF Monterrey (MEX) vs. Sporting Kansas City (USA), 10:00 p.m.

    Wednesday, April 10:

    Santos Laguna (MEX) vs. Tigres UANL (MEX), 8:00 p.m.

    Thursday, April 11:

    Sporting Kansas City (USA) vs. CF Monterrey (MEX), 9:00 p.m.
     
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  19. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Looking forward to them.
     
  20. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder why Sporting Kansas City will host at 9:00 P.M. (8:00 P.M. local) rather than an hour earlier. It's still good that of the six Quarterfinal and Semifinal second legs, only one was later than 9:00 P.M.
     
  21. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania

    semifinals first leg:
    Tigres 3-0 / Monterrey 5-0 :d
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    F Santos Laguna
    F SKC

    ...sorry, just pressing F to pay my respects :D

    Since it looks like the clásico regio is a fait accompli, the only thing left to decide is the order of the Final.

    The current standings:

    Tigres UANL 12 +9
    CF Monterrey 10 +8

    So Tigres need to go for a win next week if they want to secure the second leg of the Final at the Volcán; a tie or a defeat leaves the Rayados with a shot at stealing the honor with a victory (by two, in case of a Tigres draw) in Kansas City.

    FWIW, if Santos Laguna pull off the unlikely upset, their 15 points would guarantee them the second-leg honors.
     
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  23. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Disappointing both ties are won in the first leg, but it is what it is. As an fan of an MLS team, the SKC game was sobering. That was a shellacking. The final will be great though.
     
  24. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    My ********** Paul, I fux w you, but can you cool it with the :D and "mind you"s a bit. Mix it up, breh. There's a variety of emojis out durr.

    Anyway, it is bittersweet to have such a dope final CCL. This is the last CCL, don't argue that any will count after. We have reached the end of the road, lads. Great way to end our run, like the last episode of MASH. The Final will be lit, no doubt, as has this whole tournament.

    But the reality is that it's all over now, since the CWC is dead.

     
  25. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Does the away goal rule still in effect in the final @Paul Calixte ??
     

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