2019 Coach Hot Seat Thread

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by WatzBruin, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. Fish On

    Fish On Member

    Oct 22, 2016
    Club:
    AC Mantova
    42-24-10 in conference play. Should have gotten a raise and multi year contract. What is AD thinking?
     
  2. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Cursory review:
    122 RPI; 53 SOS
    More international players than Mercer or Furman
    Good mix of upper and lower classes
    Assistant coaches there 3 years

    Guess:
    Let’s assume AD isn’t crazy and/or coach(es) has done nothing wrong

    Program’s past history, mix of talent and SOS indicated this should have been a “good year” and expectations were likely higher than .500 record, 122 RPI and loss in conf tournament. After multiple years at the helm and missed expectations, school goes in different direction.

    Conclusion?:
    Short of an external factor this looks like a soccer team being managed the same way a football or b-ball team would be managed if they had a similar history and expectation.
     
  3. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    minus the $1,000,000 buyout...
     
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  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    No revenue, no buyout.

    What have most college soccer coaches done to increase revenue?
     
  5. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    There are only two sports that create revenue... Football and Men's Basketball. Women's Basketball who generates losses in the millions of dollars has coaches making $750,000 a year... UNCG probably pays $75,000.... https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...eives-four-year-contract-extension/826000001/
     
  6. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What have most athletic departments done to increase revenue of men's [or women's] soccer?

    There's numerous soccer coaches that have had buyouts in their contracts though. Some departments will offer them, others won't. Depends on program, school, and possibly conference.
     
  7. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    One HoF coach doesn’t constitute a basis for comparison.

    Of the 351 D1 women’s b-ball coaches there are going to be a handful that mean enough to a program that they are subject to retention incentives.

    I would suspect Pat Summit was worth more to Tenn than the sum a few years of women’s b-ball revenues.

    Some might serve roles in the general athletic department or provide as a school wide spokesperson, fundraiser or icon.

    In general, that isn’t the case and buyouts are relative to demand, replacement costs, continuity and cost/benefit views.

    In this forum there is periodic wonderment that coaches hang on when results are not commensurate with their tenure.

    There is also sentiment that it is good for the game if there are high expectations for coaches...they may not make more than football coaches but D1 soccer head coaches make more than their assistants or most D2-3 coaches...so, they hold relatively “high paid” jobs and the expectations will be higher.
     
  8. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    Other than maybe UConn, almost any other program, Women's basketball as a whole is the biggest loser in revenue vs. cost.. All the perks of men's basketball, chartered flights, etc. but no TV money to back it up. Salaries have to be fairly big to help with Title IX.

    ... but there is also sentiment on this forum that soccer coaches get treated like basketball and football coaches... Charlie Weiss got paid $25 million from Notre Dame and Kansas to not be the coach ... If they're terrible, have discipline or academic issues in the program I get it...but everyone on this site screams for ADs to treat soccer like football and basketball when it comes to coaches...Does a career .500 record, 62 percent conference winning percentage and one NCAA tournament justify being fired ? Maybe ??? .... but until the salaries match the pressure and expectations ($75K is less than what a teacher makes with similar education and tenure) I don't always see it the same way... If the expectations are high and winning the only thing that matters, then shortcuts might be taken to insure that winning is the only thing that matters (lying about players who are former pros, payoffs to athletes and their families, academic fraud, etc. (See almost every top football and basketball program)

    Be careful what you wish for...
     
  9. Olesh

    Olesh Member

    Jul 24, 1999
    South Bay
    Anybody hearing anything about the Rutgers search? AD has been very tight lipped about the search.

    Only name I've seen mentioned anywhere is Dave Brandt. Other than that, it's been pure speculation.

    This article gives some background on what went wrong with Donigan and throws out some other names.

    https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/Article/Rutgers-Mens-Soccer-Coaching-Search-Update-124408031/

    Of that bunch, only Carlo Acquista (current RBNY scout, former Adelphi & St. Francis NY head coach) seems intriguing. Also heard fans mention Mike Miller from UConn (although he might be head coach in waiting?). Don't think they can afford to gamble on a local former pro with little or no college coaching experience (like Meola or Ritchie Williams), or seemingly 'comfortable' veterans (like Masur or McCourt, who were candidates during the last search).

    Most Rutgers people have no issue with the $143k buyout, and feel the change was made one year too late. It's a relatively small price to pay for a program that should be nationally relevant. Especially for an athletic department that's not really competitive in football or basketball, and needs to find success wherever it can, and will be getting full Big Ten revenue soon.
     
  10. Fish On

    Fish On Member

    Oct 22, 2016
    Club:
    AC Mantova
    Wouldnt rutgers be brandt's 4th job in 4 years?
     
  11. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    You’d think RU needs to get somebody soon...if recruiting was a problem they just missed one day and another is a few months out.

    The article points out academy recruiting is important...no offense to any of their players but a Big10 team in N.J. should be able to recruit better than they have.

    Being from that general neck of the woods and having recently done both the USYS Nationals and MLS academy path with one of ours, never so much as heard the name Rutgers mentioned by any family, club coach or player.

    There are some colleges that really do their work in recruiting...this has been discussed previously.

    If we could take every email and phone call we got and lay them out I suspect Rutgers wouldn’t be in there at all while other, bigger and smaller schools, were working hard to at least be relevant.

    So, a new coach will endure some challenges but at least there is cause for optimism.
     
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  12. Phatom of the Soccer

    Manchester United
    Iceland
    Mar 9, 2018
    Rutgers is expensive for out of State players, and like a lot of Big Ten schools, little in the form of academic scholarships to count on. So using the 9.5 scholarship money carefully is likely the big challenge, to supplement the in-state talent. They should follow in the path of Mich State and Michigan that does a nice job of keeping the Michigan talent. Michigan out of state tuition is also very high without a lot of academic scholarship money for coaches to use at either program. Just hope they don't go the international route leaving a lot of USSDA talent looking for spot. Academy players should look at Rutgers as a great opportunity to make a difference, instead of heading to top five programs where they warm the bench and cheer on international players.
     
  13. Teletubby

    Teletubby Member

    Dec 10, 2004
    List of potential current & localish list head coaches who have brought programs to the NCAA at least once or at the very least been in the national rankings or close in their tenures...In no particular order
    1. McElderry-Fordham
    2. Inverso-Rider (former Rutgers asst)
    3. McCourt-Monmouth
    4. Barlow-Princeton
    5. Rees-Fairfield
    6. Hennessy-Delaware
    7. Anderson-Columbia
    8. Nuttall-Hofstra
    9. Russell-Army
    10. Koski-Lehigh
    11. Roland-FDU

    This assuming that someone like Chaka Daley-Michigan, doesn't see this as a bus ride home to the East Coast, where his roots are. That would be a good coup on many fronts and a good story for Rutgers.

    Aside from that associate/assistants not mentioned
    Samol-G'Town.....RBNY pipeline is more G'Town than Rutgers
    Totten-Princeton
    Adams-UMBC
     
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  14. Teletubby

    Teletubby Member

    Dec 10, 2004
    I think not including internationals, or any player anywhere, would be a fatal mistake in building this program back up. Not saying they should not chase the "Garden States" best, but leave no stone unturned here in a promising job that the local "joisey" crew will be quick to jump on if don't happen fast.

    Michigan States best defender, Michigan's best attacker are both international.
    In recent years Rutgers best attackers have also been international. Wright left for Clemson and now Hall is a UConn transfer and to be fair they were both good pickups for Donigan. They were not his problem
    https://uconnhuskies.com/index.aspx?path=msoc
     
  15. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    American University is now available as the school announced that head coach Todd West, who had been there since 2000, has left the school to pursue "other professional opportunities." Don't know if that means fired, resigned or contract not being renewed, but AU has been an afterthought in DC soccer in recent years after being a strong program in the 80s and 90s. Under West, AU made the NCAA Tournament in 2001, 02 and 04 but hasn't been there since.

    It's an expensive place to live but it's also an attractive place to live and a good conference close to an MLS academy so it should be an appealing job for an up-and-coming coach.
     
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  16. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    Thanks for the info. I would totally be shocked if Zach Samol (Gtown asst.) isn't given serious consideration for this position. Zach is tied to the DC area because of his wife's education/training/profession. AU is just a few miles from Gtown.

    AU doesn't have lights which impacts recruiting because of the lack of night matches and reduces student interest, etc. But, the field is right in the middle of campus (then again, I've only been to the soccer field and not to other parts of AU.
     
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  17. jjsocr

    jjsocr Member

    Apr 30, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have been there a few times and it is a nice field but not a real nice overall set up or atmosphere. Always a decent team, but probably should have done better in the Patriot League. Figure the GU asst to be a good candidate. Some AU alumni would be good possibilities as well including the former GU coach Keith Tabatznick and Duke's assistant Mike Bradey. Think Bradey coached the women at AU before so he has that connection as well? Maybe also one of MD assistants with local ties?
     
  18. funinsun

    funinsun Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    Salcedo is terrible. Clueless coach. But can charm his way out of anything. Talent is very strong and still only produces .500 win record. It’s a shame for every UCLA fan and alum.
     
  19. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    My guess is the Kentucky coach isn’t going anywhere but has built a nice team. That facility must help a lot. Looked very nice Saturday. BTW, Lipscomb played a nice game.
     
  20. Olesh

    Olesh Member

    Jul 24, 1999
    South Bay
    Speculation from Rutgers sources on the coaching shortlist:

    -Acquiesta
    -Brandt
    -Franks
    -McElderry
    -Miller

    If accurate, all would be solid options. Franks would probably be the sexiest name of the bunch, but not sure how strong his recruiting contacts still are back east. Brandt has won everywhere. Acquiesta seemingly has the local MLS Academy contacts, and previous head coach success in difficult places. McElderry has also built a solid A-10 program. Miller has never been a head coach, but a big pedigree as an assistant and recruiter.

    I'm not really plugged into the recruiting scene, but the knock on Donigan was that he only established a pipeline with one of the big clubs (PDA), and his relationships everywhere else were basically non-existent. That, and he couldn't keep his top players from transferring out.
     
  21. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somewhat surprised Andy Fleming (Xavier) wouldn't be on the Rutgers' radar. A bit of a down year, but he's been in the mix for some big jobs (Ohio State, most recently). A move to Rutgers seems fitting for the northeasterner.
     
  22. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    From left field, anybody who is a HC at a moderately successful program would likely think twice about going to RU. That athletics program has had its share of issues.

    So, aside from a sick mother nearby I’d be surprised if somebody would leave “a good situation” to take on that role, in central Jersey.

    I have no insights into the real situation but won’t be surprised if they get an assistant from somewhere ... unless they are talking so much money that they can paper over some of the obvious concerns.

    Just $.02
     
  23. WatzBruin

    WatzBruin Member

    Aug 23, 2011
    LA - SF Valley
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Unfortunately, the UCLA AD is even more clueless. His track record in hiring and retaining coaches speaks for itself. One only has to look at the sports that pay the bills in both football and basketball as an example.

    Having said that, I am amazed Jorge hasn't been released and still has his job after two consecutive miserable seasons. Every program has a down year but what was telling to me was how this year's team faltered down the stretch heading into the tournament and ultimately losing 5 of their last six games and scoring but a single goal in their last four matches.

    IMHO, the program needs a jump start and a new vision.
     
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  24. torwart

    torwart Member

    Jan 22, 2010
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    What’s the word on UAB? Who is rumored to be interested? Wouldn’t be surprised to see them go after ACC, Big Ten, etc. top assistants. Is it a good enough job to lure any Head Coaches?
     
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  25. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liberty is open. Coach took a new position at the school as the Director of Annual Giving.
     

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